On 04/10/2022 15:21, Joel Sherrill wrote:
On Tue, Oct 4, 2022 at 12:40 AM Sebastian Huber <sebastian.hu...@embedded-brains.de <mailto:sebastian.hu...@embedded-brains.de>> wrote:

    On 30/09/2022 23:39, Chris Johns wrote:
     > On 30/9/2022 7:21 pm, Sebastian Huber wrote:
     >> Update #4524.
     >> ---
     >>   cpukit/doxygen/appl-config.h                | 13 +++++
     >>   cpukit/include/rtems/rtems/config.h         | 29 +++++++++-
     >>   cpukit/include/rtems/score/interr.h         |  1 +
     >>   cpukit/sapi/src/interrtext.c                |  3 +-
     >>   cpukit/sapi/src/malloctaskstackforidle.c    | 59
    +++++++++++++++++++++
     >>   spec/build/cpukit/librtemscpu.yml           |  1 +
     >>   spec/build/testsuites/sptests/grp.yml       |  2 +
     >>   spec/build/testsuites/sptests/spfatal36.yml | 19 +++++++
     >>   testsuites/sptests/spfatal36/init.c         | 52
    ++++++++++++++++++
     >>   testsuites/sptests/spfatal36/spfatal36.doc  | 11 ++++
     >>   testsuites/sptests/spinternalerror02/init.c |  2 +-
     >>   testsuites/sptests/sptls04/init.c           |  2 +
     >>   12 files changed, 191 insertions(+), 3 deletions(-)
     >>   create mode 100644 cpukit/sapi/src/malloctaskstackforidle.c
     >>   create mode 100644 spec/build/testsuites/sptests/spfatal36.yml
     >>   create mode 100644 testsuites/sptests/spfatal36/init.c
     >>   create mode 100644 testsuites/sptests/spfatal36/spfatal36.doc
     >>
     >> diff --git a/cpukit/doxygen/appl-config.h
    b/cpukit/doxygen/appl-config.h
     >> index aa6dbae648..ee647dc961 100644
     >> --- a/cpukit/doxygen/appl-config.h
     >> +++ b/cpukit/doxygen/appl-config.h
     >> @@ -4842,6 +4842,19 @@
     >>    * configuration options.  It is assumed that any memory
    allocated for the
     >>    * stack of an IDLE task will not be from the RTEMS Workspace
    or the memory
     >>    * statically allocated by default.
     >> + *
     >> + * For applications with a thread-local storage size which is
    completely
     >> + * unknown at the time the application configuration is
    defined, RTEMS provides
     >> + * an IDLE task stack allocator which uses rtems_malloc().
     >
     > I thought the TLS size was static and set by the linker? Has this
    changed?

    No, this didn't change.

     >
     > I am confused about the relationship between an unknown TLS size
    and IDLE task?
     > And the relationship of the TLS size and stack size?

    Currently, the IDLE task storage area is statically allocated. The size
    of this area is defined by CONFIGURE_IDLE_TASK_STACK_SIZE. So, this
    configuration option doesn't directly specify the IDLE task stack size.
    This size covers also the TLS area.


Thanks for speaking up Chris. I also don't like the idea that something that
has said and meant IDLE stack size was getting other items lumped into it.


     >
     >> * * The size of the
     >> + * allocated thread storage area is the sum of stack size
    defined by the
     >> + * #CONFIGURE_IDLE_TASK_STACK_SIZE configuration option and the
    actual
     >> + * thread-local storage size of the application.
     >
     > The label CONFIGURE_IDLE_TASK_STACK_SIZE provides no insight into
    it being
     > effected by the TLS size.
     >
     >> * * Define this configuration
     >> + * option to ``rtems_malloc_task_stack_for_idle`` to use this
    allocator.  If
     >> + * the memory allocation fails, then the system terminates with the
     >> + * INTERNAL_ERROR_CORE fatal source and the
     >> + * INTERNAL_ERROR_NO_MEMORY_FOR_IDLE_TASK_STACK fatal code
    during system
     >> + * initialization.
     >> + * @endparblock
     >
     > I am confused about the how and why I would use this change?

    With the statically allocated storage area for the IDLE task you
    need at
    least an estimate of the size if you define the application
    configuration. If you can't estimate it, then one option is to simply
    allocate it dynamically.

    Maybe a better approach is to allocate the IDLE task storage from the
    workspace by default and use the CONFIGURE_IDLE_TASK_STACK_SIZE really
    for the stack size and not the complete storage area. We could add a
    new
    configuration option (for example CONFIGURE_IDLE_TASK_STORAGE_SIZE) to
    enable the static allocation.



CONFIGURE_IDLE_TASK_STORAGE_SIZE could default to the size of stack size
plus other items but it seems over complicated. Just have IDLE stack size and the other
area for other items.

I don't know when IDLE task storage size was introduced but it has been a long
time ago. Changing the semantics of it seems quite wrong.

Ok, I will send a v2 of the patch which:

* Changes the default IDLE task storage allocation to the workspace. It will use CONFIGURE_IDLE_TASK_STACK_SIZE and this size will define the stack size.

* Adds a new option CONFIGURE_IDLE_TASK_STORAGE_SIZE which will change the IDLE task storage allocation to a statically allocated area which will contain the task stack and the thread-local storage area.

* Adds a new option CONFIGURE_IDLE_TASK_MINIMUM_STACK_SIZE which ensures that the IDLE task stack size has at least this size.

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