The topic of discussion was: As nb is away for many months, is there a way for the active PNET developers to get access to the infrastructure, to close it or to open a new one?
The meeting lasted around 1 hour 30 minutes: Who said something: ajmitch, KlausT, radekp, skwashd, rhysw (left after 25 minutes), krokas__, scandium, Belial-, steki The talks is about, the need for contol of the dotgnu.org infrastructure krokas__ and Belial- proposed an insurgency. rhys said, that we need a more reliable admin, the pnet and dotgnu projects on savannah have web site versions, hosted by gnu - the question - is it possible to trasition to that? skwashd, was willing to investigate offering space on the phpgroupware.org box for hosting dotgnu.org scandium said, that the problem is the dotgnu website is mirrored on all gnu mirror. And even if we move dotgnu.org (which is owned by the FSF) there are other problems like dotgnu.info, getdotgnu domains etc. (all owned by nb) they will continue to be accessible (like the spammed wiki etc) It was asked if if is possible to start a wiki at wiki.dotgnu.org and mirror as much as possible from dotgnu.info? It was noted that getdotgnu stopped working a few days later after dr nick said he was moving it to his own server Was asked what happened to the association donations dr nick collected thry gdg.com and if there aren't the $3k or so left on the FSF bank accout from Neil? scandium and krokas__, suggested to start our own donation effort and then start a 100% idependent infractructure. skwashd suggested (from experience) gnu infrastructure is a better option; he suggested to get a box, donate it to the fsf (for dotgnu related purposes), move what can be moved to it, move the lists to sv, clean up the sv, and continue coding There was some discussion on how the project infrastructure should be organized, It was clear that there are some different views on how savannah and the current infrastructure(wiki, mail list) should be used. scandium argued strongly for moving the project off savannah to another (unamed) server and to remove all references to non FSF controlled dotgnu domains. Steki pushed for hard for the project to switch to trac as he beleives it has many parts mentioned in the discussion (SVN Code browser, TimeLine,Ticketing,Wiki,Search) Some people felt that we need to arrange a 100% control of savannah, we have it over dotgnu-pnet, but not the other related projects, although that could be sorted out with savannah admins It was agreed that rhysw is the best person to ask for control of it ( is in the best position to claim ownership of the project ) then he can grant admins rights to others skwashd said that he would try to arrange a site on the phpgroupware.box box, to make the project look active, this would give the project life (although this is not a full community thing with wiki, user projects, download area and forum) then ask for donations on there, and get enough for a box, for example the phpgroupware raised ~1250 USD in < 10 days. phpGroupWare's server was purchased with donated funds, then hosting was found for it, and finally it was added to the fsf asset register skwashd pointed out that phpgroupware was able to fund raise easily for their new server. The need for funds was publicised and people contacted him, and he gave them the contact info of a person living in the US, who was building the box krokas suggested that the money be donated to a person who lives in Germany(like scandium or KlausT), although he didn't eloborate on the reasons for this. radekp: said that he could offer a box with good internet connection if that would help skwashd pointed out that we still need to consult with the steering commitee as they officially administer the project, he felt that we need to get their ok...or fork the project. skwashd was not advocating forking the project. krokas said, that they were invited to the meeting, and being send personal letter, to who was possible to send one (they were not present). It was also noted that the fsf has processes to be followed for orpaned project and dotgnu has extra components and processes to be considered There was a discussion around the need to update the steering commitee to better reflect the current situation with the project. It was felt that nb should be still has a seat on the SC, was suggested that then decisson should be made by the majority of the steering commitee members present for voting. Was said that t3rmin4tor could probably reach arun, who he knows It was agreed that skwashd would contact rhys to start a discussion regarding the steering commitee issues, and then will report to the list, and then another meeting will be held to discuss infrastructure. We need a formal decision making process in place, before making decisions. The next meeting should be timed better to allow people from the US to attend. _______________________________________________ Developers mailing list [email protected] http://dotgnu.org/mailman/listinfo/developers
