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  > 1) This setting was there since: 2002/03/18

And I have protested against that ever since - not that anyone listened.

  > 2) This change was made at that point by the security project (correct
  > or not correct, imho that doesnt matter)

The decision was not clear imo - and since this changes the default
config (i.e. how mmabase works), it is not a project decision imo.
Whether it is correct DOES matter, IMO.

  > 3) Changing something in cvs since in you dont like it, is not the
  > correct way. Please notifiy everyone by putting it on the developers
  > list.

As I wrote, I was under the impression that this change was temporary -
the security project is finished, IIRC, so I changed it back.
Anyway, as there was no vote, the change was not valid, and therefor
could be rolled back.

  > 4) If we want to change it to another implementation, it is possible,
  > but there should try to start discussion on developers list FIRST(or
  > post a hack, etc...)

Which should be started by the project - not by me.

My view is that:
a) security systems shouldn't change every release
b) the cloud security is, imo, not really finished - it seems a rather
weak and slow system, though I may be mistaken of how it works. I
foresee that people will not be pleased with it and we will have to
replace it _again_. Which is why I don't want to replace the system _now_.
c) I don't want a system that installs builders I have difficulty
getting rid off when I don't want to use it, rather than placing an xml
file I can delete with no problems.
d) If the one problem is to tell a user where to change the admin
password, I think that - again - we are lacking documentation, NOT a
properly working security system.


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Pierre van Rooden
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