On 16:08 Mon 20 Feb     , Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 04:46:13PM +0100, Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD 
> wrote:
> > On 16:30 Mon 20 Feb     , Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> > > On 15:27 Mon 20 Feb     , Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 04:08:10PM +0100, Jean-Christophe 
> > > > PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> > > > > On 15:00 Mon 20 Feb     , Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > > > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 03:46:35PM +0100, Jean-Christophe 
> > > > > > PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> > > > > > > On 13:58 Mon 20 Feb     , Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 02:46:34PM +0100, Jean-Christophe 
> > > > > > > > PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > On 14:37 Mon 20 Feb     , Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD 
> > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > On 12:50 Mon 20 Feb     , Russell King - ARM Linux wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 11:22:31AM +0100, Jean-Christophe 
> > > > > > > > > > > PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > On 10:08 Mon 20 Feb     , Russell King - ARM Linux 
> > > > > > > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > On Mon, Feb 20, 2012 at 10:58:13AM +0100, 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Jean-Christophe PLAGNIOL-VILLARD wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 18:17 Mon 13 Feb     , Karol Lewandowski wrote:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +       - udelay: delay between GPIO operations 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > (may depend on each platform)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > +       - timeout: timeout to get data (ms)
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If these are really needed then I would prefer to 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > have these fully
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > qualified (with unit type "-ms/-millisecs" 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > appended).
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Regulator framework, with its 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > "-microvolt/-microamp", serve here as
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > prime example of being quite descriptive (one 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > doesn't neet to look up
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the docs). Please see:
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > >   
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://permalink.gmane.org/gmane.linux.ports.arm.omap/67637
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > timeout are usualy in ms I don't really see the 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > > need of -ms or so
> > > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > Which is obviously total crap for udelay, which would 
> > > > > > > > > > > > > be in _micro_seconds.
> > > > > > > > > > > > agreed but here on i2c gpio I never see timetout as 
> > > > > > > > > > > > udelay so I don't see
> > > > > > > > > > > > the mandatory to force the name in the binding
> > > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > > futhermore it's maybe linux specific
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Stop grabbing at straws.  There's nothing linux specific 
> > > > > > > > > > > about the units
> > > > > > > > > > > of specification.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > What is linux specific is specifying the _delay_ rather 
> > > > > > > > > > > than specifying
> > > > > > > > > > > the bus frequency.  So as soon as you're trying to 
> > > > > > > > > > > justify not adding
> > > > > > > > > > > the units because they may be linux specific, you've 
> > > > > > > > > > > already lost that
> > > > > > > > > > > argument by using a delay rather than a bus frequency.  
> > > > > > > > > > > You can't have
> > > > > > > > > > > it both ways.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > Moreover, mixing microseconds and milliseconds in the 
> > > > > > > > > > > properties for a
> > > > > > > > > > > device is absolutely insane.
> > > > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > > > So, which ever way, your patch as it currently stands is 
> > > > > > > > > > > wrong and broken.
> > > > > > > > > >  no what I said is the binding timeout is maybe linux 
> > > > > > > > > > specific for i2c gpio
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > I do not argue about that here we do not even disucss about 
> > > > > > > > > the bus frequency
> > > > > > > > > but the specific bining to the i2c algo bit for it's internal 
> > > > > > > > > timeout
> > > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > > the timeout is used to do not end in an infinite loop while 
> > > > > > > > > ready the scl on
> > > > > > > > > slow device
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > The patch is still wrong and broken.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > As you're not listening to me at all, I've lost patience, so 
> > > > > > > > I'm just going
> > > > > > > > to say this:
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > Explicit NAK on this patch.
> > > > > > > > 
> > > > > > > > When you feel like you can _constructively_ _consider_ the 
> > > > > > > > point that both
> > > > > > > > Karol and myself have raised with respect to the _U_N_I_T_S_ 
> > > > > > > > then feel free
> > > > > > > > to continue this discussion.  If not, don't waste your time 
> > > > > > > > writing another
> > > > > > > > email.  I hope that's plain.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I do not discuss about the U_N_I_T_S at all in this reply
> > > > > > > so the NACK is no revelent
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > LET ME PUT IT IN BIG LETTERS FOR YOU.  I AM DISCUSSING THE UNITS 
> > > > > > ISSUE IN
> > > > > > MY EMAILS.  YOU KEEP BRINGING UP THE LINUX SPECIFIC CRAP ABOUT 
> > > > > > UDELAY OR
> > > > > > TIMEOUT.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I AM TALKING ABOUT UNITS.  MICROSECONDS.  MILLISECONDS.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > I HAVE BEEN TALKING ABOUT UNITS ON THIS THREAD ALL DAY SO FAR.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > GET IT THROUGH YOUR BIG HEAD THAT I AM DISCUSSING ABOUT THE UNITS.  
> > > > > > I AM
> > > > > > NOT DISCUSSING, AND HAVE NOT BEEN DISCUSSING ABOUT WHETHER BUS 
> > > > > > FREQUENCY
> > > > > > OR DELAYS ARE APPROPRIATE IN THIS CASE.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > ALL THAT I AM DISCUSSING IS ABOUT THE UNITS.  *T*H*E* 
> > > > > > *S*O*D*D*I*N*G*
> > > > > > *U*N*I*T*S*.
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > HAVE YOU GOT THE FUCKING MESSAGE YET?
> > > > > > 
> > > > > > SO, THE NACK STANDS UNTIL YOU START REPLYING TO THE POINT I AM 
> > > > > > RAISING.
> > > > > 
> > > > > I just said we have 2 properties
> > > > > 
> > > > > - timeout which is expressed in jiffies (today in C) which is at my 
> > > > > sense a linux specific
> > > > >   propertie as it's representing a timeout of the i2c bit algo
> > > > >   and here I don't see the mandatory to name it timeout-ms or 
> > > > > timeout-milisecond
> > > > 
> > > > THIS IS IN MILLISECONDS.
> > > > 
> > > > > - udelay which is the delay between GPIO operations
> > > > 
> > > > THIS IS IN MICROSECONDS.
> > > > 
> > > > TWO DIFFERENT UNITS FOR TWO DIFFERENT PROPERTIES FOR THE SAME DEVICE.
> > > > CONFUSING.  NACK STANDS.
> > > 
> > > I said 
> > > 
> > > > > > > > > I do not argue about that 
> > > 
> > > after I just discuss about the fact taht "timeout" is maybe linux
> > > implementation specic and maybe need "linux," prefix that's all
> > can I have the NACK removed because I sis not agrued on the UNIT I add more
> > information about the fact that the property may be linux specific
> 
> There is nothing more to add to this thread.  You have all the
> information you require to have me remove the NACK.  I will not repeat
> it yet again.  As your patch currently stands it is not acceptable to
> me.
I said already yes for the change so can I've the Acked-by

for this
- udelay: delay between GPIO operations (may depend on each platform)

- i2c-algo-bit,timeout-milliseconds: timeout to get data (ms)

Best Regards,
J.
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