Hi, Well the older heads have now realised that what I do as "some time IT bod" has paid off thanks to an E-Smith box and the SmoothWall fire wall I implemented. I would like to say a BIG thank you to the E-smith team for a great product (must be to stun those guys:-0 ) They are releasing me to spend upto 2 days per week from my real Job to follow up on projects such as E-Smith. It is only fair since you helped me I would like to see what I can do for you. I now have funds available to re-build a spare box for E_Smith dev work . I have E/S 4.0 on CD do I need to get a complete new version for Beta work or do you have patches that bring a V.4.0 upto V4.blah Beta? Which ever is the answer can you point me to the right place on the web. I am looking forward to this. TIA C U George West of the World Famous Kew Steam Museum & Botanical Gardens East of London Heathrow the World's Busiest Airport