> Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 11:48:12 +0100 (BST) > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Please produce a bundled installer > From: "Dave Hooper" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
...<snip>... > > In case you're wondering why we're talking about this at all: a while ago, > we didn't mirror the Sun JRE download at freenetproject.org; now we do > that, but apparently the reason there isn't a debian distro of freenet is > because *mirroring Sun's JRE installer is in violation of Sun's licence*. > Or at least this is the impression I received from the previous > discussion. > > So we're now discussing whether we should remove the Sun JRE download from > freenetproject.org; or whether or not this really is a violation of Sun's > licence. > > Anyone: Is that *really* the reason there isn't a debian distro of > freenet? I thought it was rather because Sun JRE was 'non free' in that > it wasn't GPL or Berkeley licenced? > There is a Debian package of Freenet. It is currently build 629 and I will be the new maintainer since Robert Bihlmeyer has been MIA for a while. I have no previous JAVA experience and that is slowing me down but there are other issues that weigh more. A typical Debian user will expect another Debian package to supply the JRE. Relying on the Sun JRE for newer features hurts the Debian package. The stability of a package is a serious concern. I try to keep the big picture in mind and take a long term view. The typical demands on my time are easier to justify when I amortize them over a few years. I enjoyed the response from Mark listed below. It seems worth repeating. > From: Mark Wielaard <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Date: 15 Jul 2003 13:42:18 +0200 > > Hi, > ...<snip>... > > For more (and specifically for a list of free software implementations > of java-like environments see the Debian java FAQ: > http://www.debian.org/doc/manuals/debian-java-faq/ch5.html > > > > Gcj is a solution to produce executable files...but not for some freenet > > > features....probably. > > > > Actually, we are kindof working towards a GCJ Freenet, kindof. Ideally > > we'd like to use a 'free' Java runtime but the alternatives seem to not be > > as stable or fully-featured as Sun's, so we're relying on Sun JRE for now. > > We (GNU Classpath and Kaffe hackers) had a very productive developer > meeting at the latest LinuxTag. The topic of java.nio (which is the > major missing thing to get Freenet running on a free java-like > environment) came up a couple of times. There is already a lot of work > done to get this implemented, but of course the last 10%... > > Please monitor the gcj, classpath and kaffe mailinglist (the projects do > work closely together) to see what progress we are making. We can > certainly use people to get Freenet working and tested with gcj and/or > kaffe when we have all pieces in place. > > Cheers, > > Mark > > > --__--__-- > > Message: 9 > Date: Tue, 15 Jul 2003 13:48:25 +0100 > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Re: Please produce a bundled installer > From: Toad <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > --W/nzBZO5zC0uMSeA > Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii > Content-Disposition: inline > Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 09:16:26AM +0100, Dave Hooper wrote: > > As I understand it, yes, we're blatantly in violation, but bundling the > > JRE into the installer is also in violation. Again, as I understand it, > > if we bundle JRE with Freenet, we should try to ensure that it is not > > usable by other applications. > > Read the license terms I pasted above. Put the sun installer file in the > EXE and only extract it as part of the freenet install process. > >=20 > > I can see no way of achieving this. If indeed it is acceptable to bundle > > the JRE installer inside a 'heavy installer' then what's preventing any > > casual user downloading the heavy installer just for the JRE? I think > > *this* is what Sun really wants to prevent. I believe that if we bundle > > Sun JRE we *cannot* use Sun's JRE installer. > >=20 > > The only solutions I see are to produce our own installer for JRE (not > > fun, no thank you) or just scrap the automatic download of the JRE and > > request that the users go to java.sun.com and download it themselves. > >=20 > > And then we're back where we started with a user-unfriendly installer. > >=20 > > <shrug> > >=20 > > d > >=20 > > > The best option is probably for the lite installer to download and run > > > the heavy installer if it detects that the user does not have the JRE > > > installed. > > > > > > On Tue, Jul 15, 2003 at 02:34:47AM +0100, toad wrote: > > >> Please produce a freenet-wininstall.exe variation that includes the JR= > E, > > >> in the same file. Then delete the illegal files > > >> j2re-1_4_1_02-windows-i586-i.exe, j2re-1_4_1_03-windows-i586-i.exe and > > >> jre-win32-latest.exe from http://freenetproject.org/snapshots/ > > >> > > >> Then email me to say you have done it. I will delete the files if you > > >> will just deal with the wininstallers. > > >> > > >> You may want to make a wininstaller version that does not include the > > >> JRE, we can link to both versions. > > >> > > >> This is a release blocker, although there are a few others. > > >> -- > > >> Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > >> Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > > >> ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > > > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. Our Boss says so. > > > > >=20 > > _______________________________________________ > > devl mailing list > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > http://hawk.freenetproject.org:8080/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devl > > --=20 > Matthew J Toseland - [EMAIL PROTECTED] > Freenet Project Official Codemonkey - http://freenetproject.org/ > ICTHUS - Nothing is impossible. 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