I have no objection to asking the user, provided that it is clearly apparent
to users that unless you know people already running Freenet, you need to go
with opennet or Freenet will be useless to you.
I'm all for letting users make an informed choice, but I'm certainly not in
favor of corralling them into choosing darknet only to get completely stuck
because they don't know anyone that currently uses Freenet (this will be the
case for the vast majority of users if we ever experience the growth we hope
for).

Also, are we using the terms "opennet" and "darknet" in the user interface?
I hope not, because these terms will mean absolutely nothing to users not
already familiar with Freenet.  We must never forget to try to put ourselves
in the shoes of a fresh user, and we must avoid assuming that users will
understand, or want to understand, internal freenet terminology, no matter
how familiar those terms might be to us.

I think the decision to use "friends" and "strangers" in the UI was a good
example of opting for terminology that new users will understand
intuitively.

Ian.

On 7/19/07, NextGen$ <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

* Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-19 21:58:28]:

> On Thursday 19 July 2007 18:16, NextGen$ wrote:
> > * Matthew Toseland <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> [2007-07-19 12:16:48]:
> > > I'm not convinced it should just be a default.
> >
> > Huh ? isn't opennet useless if it's not the default ? I'm really
surprised
> > that someone (you in particular) objects here :)
> >
> > > Can't we explicitly ask the user a yes/no, maybe during the
post-setup
> > > wizard?
> >
> > Yeah, it could be done in the wizard... shall I revert the changes ?
(it
> > has already been deployed and the current installer is setting up
opennet
> > by default)
>
> Yes. Opennet is such a hideous security risk that we should definitely
ask the
> user, with no obvious default.

I won't need to be asked to do it twice :) it has been reverted in r14195
and
I'm currently rebuilding the installer.

NextGen$
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