Is'nt his point that the users just won't maintain the trust lists? I thought that is the problem that he meant.... how can Advogato help us here?
On Fri, May 22, 2009 at 05:51, Evan Daniel <eva...@gmail.com> wrote: > It's not all that interesting. It has been discussed to death many > times. The Advogato algorithm (or something like it) solves this > problem (not perfectly, but far, far better than the current FMS / WoT > alchemy), as I have explained in great detail. > > Evan Daniel > > On Sat, May 9, 2009 at 12:57 PM, <gu...@gmx.org> wrote: >> Interesting discussion from Frost, especially the last post at the bottom. >> Its about WoTs in general and why they won't work. >> >> >> >> ----- hahaha...@yle3zhs5lkiwe3fdjyqlcf5+rka ----- 2009.04.05 - 02:28:11GMT >> ----- >> >> I had to forward this one here. >> >> ------- jezreel℺X~GLTTHo9aaYtIpGT6OOyBMMFwl3b8LwFu6TUw9Q82E sent via FMS on >> 2009-04-05 at 01:31:54GMT ------- >> >> Probably not an amazing subject, but FMS is so dead lately so what the >> hell. Falafel, why do some of the folks posting to Frost hate you so >> much? In particular Luke771 and VolodyA. You generally seem like a >> nice identity so I'm just curious. >> -- >> jezr...@pbxwgrdegrigwuteoz3tc6cfla2xu3trmi2tgr2enfrvi4bxkzlectshfvyw2wcxkrffslccijku4z2om5gtoojrpzdfcolkovtdawjuifigkrcqjbevsvrnla2xotcdpfvw6lkmkzzsyqkrifbucqkf.freemail >> >> ;)) >> >> ----- VolodyA! V a...@r0pa7z7ja1haf2xttt7aklre+yw ----- 2009.04.11 - >> 12:11:26GMT ----- >> >> I should point out i do not hate falafel, i do not know him. I do hate what >> he is doing to Freenet, however. If he was to stop supporting intruduction >> of censorship on Freenet i would not say anything bad about him. >> >> In fact i tend to agree with much of what he has to say on other subjects. >> >> -- >> May all the sentient beings benefit from our conversation. >> >> ----- denmin...@dlkkaikia79j4ovpbgfk4znh25y ----- 2009.04.14 - 16:13:07GMT >> ----- >> >> Falafel is doing nothing. If a single guy can make the protocol not work, >> then the protocol is shitty from the start and we need to write a new one. >> >> ----- Anonymous ----- 2009.04.14 - 20:46:59GMT ----- >> >> The only shit around here is spewing from the mouths of those who don't >> understand how it works. No one can stop you from seeing what you want to >> see. Anyone who tells you otherwise is spreading misinformation. >> >> ----- luke...@ch4jcmdc27eeqm9cw_wvju+coim ----- 2009.05.04 - 01:01:46GMT >> ----- >> >> >> No one can really censor FMS alright, BUT there IS a problem with those >> 'censored trust lists' anyway. >> The existance of censored trust lists forces users to actively maintain >> their own trust lists, the WoT wont work 'on its own' as it would if >> everyone used it the way it's supposed to. >> >> Let me try to explain: if everyone used wot to block flood attacks and >> nothing else, new users wouldnt need to try and find out which trust lists >> are 'good', they wouldnt need to work on thir trust lists for hours every >> day, try to spot censors or "guys who wont block pedos", they could simply >> use FMS and occasianlly set a high trust for someone they actually trust, or >> lower the trust for someone they caught spamming >> >> But the current situation makes FMS a pain in the ass. Users have to work on >> your trust lists regularly, and new users risk (and probably do) to have >> some of the content blocked by some censor because the guy posted one >> message on a board that the censor found 'immoral'. >> >> It may take time until the new user figures out which trust lists to use, >> and there's a very real risk that he would think that it isnt worth the >> hassle and give up on FMS completely. >> I did that, others did that, and more will. >> >> THAT is the real problem with the Little Brothers, not their non-existent >> ability to censor content. they cant censor anything and they know it. But >> they can and do make FMS a pain in the ass to use. >> >> Another problem is that, assuming that the fms community will survive (which >> i dontthink it will), it my end up split into a number of closed >> sub-communities that refuse to talk to each other. But this is only a guess, >> so far. We'll have to see how it turns out. >> >> In the meantime, making FMS into a PITa has been done already, that is why >> FMS is as good as dead, and that's why I think that invesiting develpers' >> time and effort into WoT and Freetalk is a huge waste: FMS failed because of >> human stupidity and arrogance, and so will Freetalk/WoT, and I really cant >> understand why the devs cant see the obvious (or refuse to admit it) >> >> BTW, I dont hate Falafel. Hate costs energy. 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