I got spam from these people a while back, which made me decide not to
join it. But who knows. There is another mailing list that started as a
continuation of the talking at the conference in FS:

Subject: Welcome to the "p2p-hackers" mailing list
From: [email protected]
To: md98-osa at nada.kth.se
Date: Sun, 25 Feb 2001 09:12:33 -0800 (PST)

Welcome to the p2p-hackers at zgp.org mailing list!


At the first O'Reilly Peer-to-Peer Conference in San Francisco in
February of 2001, I had the pleasure of meeting and talking to hackers
who were actively working on peer to peer systems.

The first thing I learned is that we had different words for many
similar or identical concepts.  Much of the early conversation was
simply trying to understand what the other was saying despite
different terminology.

The second thing I learned (thanks especially to Wes Felter's
presentation), was that different p2p designers had made different
architectural decisions on a few key points, and had never looked back
after that early architectural decision.

The third thing I learned (thanks especially to Branden Wiley and
Seguei Osokino, and Wes Felter again) is that interoperability between
different p2p file-sharing networks looks like an easier hack than I
would have guessed.

So here is a mailing list which I hope will continue the noble
tradition of fraternization among p2p hackers.  I would like to
continue the process we've begun of generating common terminology, a
common architectural taxonomy, and just "nuts and bolts" engineering
chit-chat about things that are important to all of us, for example
TCP vs. HTTP (vs. UDP?), MD5 vs. SHA1 (just don't use MD5!), bundled
meta-data vs.  referenced meta-data, and probably a thousand other
important and interesting details.

Mailing lists are living things, and I expect that I (or someone else)
will have to replace this welcome message as soon as we evolve away
from these initial ideas.

Don Marti is the List Maintainer, and we are using his scheme of
requiring approved registration but approving everyone who asks.

The initial invite list is a bunch of hackers who have specific
expertise and experience in p2p engineering, and who expressed
interest in this list.  Feel free to invite others that you know who
can contribute to this list.

Regards, Zooko


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On Mon, Feb 26, 2001 at 01:35:08PM -0800, hal at finney.org wrote:
> A new mailing list is getting started to discuss general issues of
> peer-to-peer style file-sharing systems like Freenet, MojoNation, Publius,
> Gnutella and the like.  Information is at:
> http://www.transarc.com/~ota/bluesky/index.html.
> 
> Their charter:
> 
>      The purpose of the mailing list is to foster discussion of design
>      and implementation issues related to the development of scalable,
>      decentralized storage systems of literally global scope. The
>      emphasis should be on technical descriptions and critique of
>      mechanisms providing efficiency, reliability, security, and similar
>      properties. Discussion of goals and semantics is also desirable,
>      while acknowledging that a diversity of systems will be built and
>      evaluated. Messages with primarily political, legal or philosophical
>      content are discouraged.
> 
> It's got some smart people signed up although the traffic level has been
> pretty low.  Freenet developers might want to take a look -
> 
> Hal
> 
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'Here,' Montag touched his head.
'Ah,' Granger smiled and nodded.

Oskar Sandberg
md98-osa at nada.kth.se

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