On Wed, 05 Mar 2003 22:01:31 +0100 Stef said:
> But I didn't find details about using SMTP, FTP, HTTP,...
> as transport protocols. 

Thats because they aren't in there :)

All that JMS does is provide the API, leaving the *how* of
the message delivery up to the provider (with certain 
constraints).  As for what providers impement those 
non-TCP socket based protocols, I've been playing around
with jbossMQ (which has their UIL protocol for 'polling'
style connections) and openJMS (which has the HTTP connector).
Other commercial JMS implementations do have the SMTP and FTP
transports, but IBM's MQSeries and TIBCO both cost USD10k+.

jbossMQ: http://www.jboss.org/developers/projects/jboss/jbossmq.jsp
openJMS: http://openjms.sourceforge.net/

Once fred can function with JMS (though it doesn't need to be
merged into the main branch or anything), I'm going to start 
working on one of the open source JMS providers to implement
some of the transports that aren't already available (like
SMTP or maybe even IRC).  

At the very least, any bundled JMS provider would be free
software (jbossMQ is GPL, openJMS is BSD-style).  I don't
actually think Sun has their own JMS implementation (though
they may).

> http://www.jxta.org/project/www/docs/DomainFAQTech.html#firewalls

While I've never used JXTA (and it sounds like Scott Miller has),
what they're describing at that link is exactly the sort of 
functionality that Freenet will need at some point (IMHO sooner
rather than later).  We could either build it into Fred as a 
seperate transport (along with all the other transports to deal with
different network layouts), or we could build it into some JMS 
implementation.  

> Please ignore this mail in case it's absolutely useless for
> the Freenetproject. I don't want to disturb our developers
> before Freenet1.0 with post-1.0 things... :)

Don't worry, I think I've just resigned myself to being 
"that zealot who won't shut up" - I'm sure people are glad to
hearing from someone else on this topic.  JMS probably won't be
integrated into Fred until after 1.0, but it is being worked
on currently (it'll take a while to complete).

Thanks for the link, and welcome

-jrandom (yes, I'm done posting for the day, as its 6am)

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