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-- Eredeti ?zenet -- Felad?: devl-request at freenetproject.org C?mzett: devl at freenetproject.org M?solat: Elk?ldve: 14:00 T?ma: Devl Digest, Vol 11, Issue 23Send Devl mailing list submissions todevl at freenetproject.orgTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visithttp://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devlor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' todevl-request at freenetproject .orgYou can reach the person managing the list atdevl-owner at freenetproject.orgWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Devl digest..."Today's Topics:1. Whose afraid of the big bad opennet? (Ian Clarke)2. Re: Whose afraid of the big bad opennet? (Ian Clarke)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:24:08 -0700From: Ian Clarke <">ian at revver.com>Subject: [freenet-dev] Whose afraid of the big bad opennet?To: Discussion of development issues <,">devl at freenetproject.org>,tech at freenetproject.orgMessage-ID: <">7C5E2D13-AF5D-490D-92D7-795F0243026C at revver.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"I really don't understand all of this fretting and hand-wringing about opennet. Its basically nothing more than a vastly better way for people to do what they are already doing today with hideous (but regrettably necessary) kludges like #freenet-refs and http://refex.s- coding.nl/.Opennet has the following advantages over what people are using now:- Several orders of magnitude more convenient for users (allowing ease of use approaching or exceeding mainstream P2P apps)- Decentralized and scalable- Should lead to vastly better network topology- We control it so we can take measures to make it more difficult to corruptDisadvantages? Relative to what people are using now - none that I can think of.Some people may wish we lived in a fantasy world where everyone was willing to go through the trouble of carefully establishing trusted darknet connections, but we don't live in this world, and denying the clear advantages of opennet to our userbase will not lead to that fantasy.Ian.Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc.phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed...URL: http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20060814/ce142e31/attachment.htm------------------------------Message: 2Date: Mon, 14 Aug 2006 22:43:15 -0700From: Ian Clarke <">ian at revver.com>Subject: Re: [freenet-dev] Whose afraid of the big bad opennet?To: Discussion of development issues <">devl at freenetproject.org>Cc: tech at freenetproject.orgMessage-ID: <">7423A19B-8688-4403-B2BC-C65B121D29B3 at revver.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"One point, to be clear, is that nothing here will prevent those that wish to only have their node talk to people they trust, from doing so. We are talking about opennet for those that want the convenience, and darknet for those that need the security.Ian.On 14 Aug 2006, at 22:24, Ian Clarke wrote:> I really don't understand all of this fretting and hand-wringing > about opennet. Its basically nothing more than a vastly better way > for people to do what they are already doing today with hideous > (but regrettably necessary) kludges like #freenet-refs and http:// > refex.s-coding.nl/.>> Opennet has the following advantages over what people are using now:>> - Several orders of magnitude more convenient for users (allowing > ease of use approaching or exceeding mainstream P2P apps)> - Decentralized and scalable> - Should lead to vastly better network topology> - We control it so we can take measures to make it more difficult > to corrupt>> Disadvantages? Relative to what people are using now - none that I > can think of.>> Some people may wish we lived in a fantasy world where everyone was > willing to go through the trouble of carefully establishing trusted > darknet connections, but we don't live in this world, and denying > the clear advantages of opennet to our userbase will not lead to > that fantasy.Ian Clarke: Co-Founder & Chief Scientist Revver, Inc.phone: 323.871.2828 | personal blog - http://locut.us/blog-------------- next part --------------An HTML attachment was scrubbed.. .URL: http://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20060814/3f857e82/attachment.html------------------------------_______________________________________________Devl mailing listDevl at freenetproject.orghttp://emu.freenetproject.org/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/devlEnd of Devl Digest, Vol 11, Issue 23************************************ --------------------------Hirdet?s----------------------------- A fogorvosnak vannak munkaeszk?zei, amelyeket kit?n?en haszn?l. 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