On Friday 07 August 2009 21:50:30 Alex Pyattaev wrote: > Google has anti-spam. However, when someone uninstalls freenet (or ANY > other program), the last thing he thinks about is taking any surveys > for that program's developers. You should probably think about those > who are actually using freenet, since they usually are > reallyinterested in improvements.
We have good reason to think that the vast majority of people who install Freenet uninstall it shortly afterwards. Therefore discovering why should be a high priority. > And mailing list is not the most > comfortable way to post feature requests etc. http://freenet.uservoice.com/ ? > Probably, we should fill > some time-consuming points of freenet's work cycle, e.g. webpage > loading. For example, the client checks some freesite for a survey > question every 10 minutes. So when user waits for page to load, he can > ask some question devs are interested in. This will no way compromise > anonimity, and it will be 100% representative, since a single host can > send such report only when it has actually requested one (question is > paired with unique answer password, which is checked when the user > posts his answer). > PS: I don't think that is easy, but I am sure this will be effective > when implemented. Game devs have also noted that and post fancy game > tips on load screens, and users read them very carefully. Unfortunately this is very hard, if we want to maintain anonymity and prevent spam. > > On 8/7/09, Zero3 <zero3 at zerosplayground.dk> wrote: > > Evan Daniel skrev: > >> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 11:06 AM, Zero3<zero3 at zerosplayground.dk> wrote: > >>> Evan Daniel skrev: > >>>> On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:11 AM, Zero3<zero3 at zerosplayground.dk> > >>>> wrote: > >>>> > >>>>> True, I agree. IMHO it is a fair way to do it as in the Windows > >>>>> installer: Ask the user kindly, and if he doesn't want to, we shouldn't > >>>>> force him. Since most of our survey results have disappeared since we > >>>>> started asking, I take that as a hint that people don't *want to* > >>>>> answer > >>>>> the surveys - hence I don't think we should try to force them. > >>>> I read this differently. If you present the user with "click here to > >>>> take our survey" they won't. If you instead present them with "here's > >>>> our survey; answer the questions and click here to submit, or here to > >>>> not take the survey" you'll get a lot more responses. It's not that > >>>> users don't want to take the survey; it's that laziness wins, and if > >>>> you stick an extra click in the way you lose most of them. > >>> Hmm. You are probably right. The big problem, however, is still that the > >>> survey is located on the website... And that we have to launch a web > >>> browser > >>> to display it. > >>> > >>> A better (and secure) alternative would be to ask the questions in the > >>> uninstaller GUI and publish it to Freenet before uninstalling. But that > >>> would require quite some work... > >> > >> If by "some work" you mean "solving the general spam resistance > >> problem in a way that doesn't involve asking the user to solve > >> captchas because we have good data to suggest he really doesn't care." > > > > The uninstallation survey is just as spamable right now without a > > CAPTCHA or the like :). Unless of course Google has some fancy anti-spam > > measures in place. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 835 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090807/65e5269d/attachment.pgp>
