> > No one can really censor FMS alright, BUT there IS a problem with those > 'censored trust lists' anyway. The existance of censored trust lists forces > users to actively maintain their own trust lists, the WoT wont work 'on its > own' as it would if everyone used it the way it's supposed to. > > Let me try to explain: if everyone used wot to block flood attacks and > nothing else, new users wouldnt need to try and find out which trust lists > are 'good', they wouldnt need to work on thir trust lists for hours every > day, try to spot censors or "guys who wont block pedos", they could simply > use FMS and occasianlly set a high trust for someone they actually trust, > or lower the trust for someone they caught spamming > > But the current situation makes FMS a pain in the ass. Users have to work > on your trust lists regularly, and new users risk (and probably do) to have > some of the content blocked by some censor because the guy posted one > message on a board that the censor found 'immoral'. > > It may take time until the new user figures out which trust lists to use, > and there's a very real risk that he would think that it isnt worth the > hassle and give up on FMS completely.
This is nonsense. As long as it works, people will not quit using FMS. People are lazy. If something works, they use it. IF they quit something, the first thing which they quit will be to maintain their trust list. And that is acceptable, in a WoT not *everyone* has to maintain his trust list, only a certain amount of users. >> I did that, others did that, and more > will. > > THAT is the real problem with the Little Brothers, not their non-existent > ability to censor content. they cant censor anything and they know it. But > they can and do make FMS a pain in the ass to use. It's not the software which is a pain in the ass to use, but the author of that post is making the usage a pain in the ass to himself: He forces himself to over-maintain his trust list which then annoys him? This is clearly not a bug in the software but a "human" misbehavior of the poster: He over-stresses himself and then loses motivation. Not the problem of software writers... > > Another problem is that, assuming that the fms community will survive > (which i dontthink it will), it my end up split into a number of closed > sub-communities that refuse to talk to each other. But this is only a > guess, so far. We'll have to see how it turns out. Yes, it is a guess. And it is completely acceptable. That's what also happens in our society, with different political groups, etc. It is human and inevitable. > > In the meantime, making FMS into a PITa has been done already, that is why > FMS is as good as dead, and that's why I think that invesiting develpers' > time and effort into WoT and Freetalk is a huge waste: FMS failed because > of human stupidity and arrogance, and so will Freetalk/WoT, and I really > cant understand why the devs cant see the obvious (or refuse to admit it) Again this is nonsense: FMS failed because of a lack of users. And the lack of users came from it's difficult setup (running an extra binary, which has to be manually upgraded very often) and UI, and the fact that it is not integrated into fproxy so most Freenet newbies won't even get to see it. All this will be solved by Freetalk via easy-to-use integration into fproxy. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: signature.asc Type: application/pgp-signature Size: 197 bytes Desc: This is a digitally signed message part. URL: <https://emu.freenetproject.org/pipermail/devl/attachments/20090524/88c1b477/attachment.pgp>
