On Monday 21 June 2010 23:04:19 ?var Arnfj?r? Bjarmason wrote:
> On Mon, Jun 21, 2010 at 21:16, xor <xor at gmx.li> wrote:
> > On Sunday 20 June 2010 01:53:05 pm ?var Arnfj?r? Bjarmason wrote:
> >> I wrote a few Munin plugins for Freenet for my own use:
> >>
> >> ? ? http://github.com/avar/munin-plugin-freenet
> >>
> >> Here's an example of them in use:
> >>
> >> ? ? http://munin.nix.is/nix.is/v.nix.is/index.html#freenet
> >>
> >> Maybe they'll be useful to other people too.
> >
> > Graphs could be VERY VERY useful to developers and testers especially 
> > because
> > they allow easy identification of weird behavior.
> > IMHO it is a shame that we did not implement them yet :|
> >
> > I'd appreciate it very much if you continued working on it and made it easy 
> > to
> > set up (if it isn't already? have not checked)... you should write a guide
> > probably.
> 
> It's easy to set up. I've added some documentation on how to do that
> in the README file at http://github.com/avar/munin-plugin-freenet I
> also updated the documentation in the plugins themselves.
> 
> It's very easy to graph new things with it if they can be queried from
> the FCP. Munin's plugin API is very easy to work with.
> 
> Unfortunately I don't think I'll be developing it much further. I
> previously ran Freenet for a bit and wanted to check it out again,
> writing those plugins was a way to see what was going on with it.

Cool.
> 
> Unfortunately I've found that:
> 
>     - It takes a lot of resources, mainly in memory & IO. So it's not
>       very VPS friendly.

True. The amount of disk I/O freenet uses in particular is unacceptable not 
only for VPSs but for desktops too. Fixing this is well up the priorities list.
> 
>     - The web interface for it isn't very friendly, and in general
>       it's fairly monolithic.

Any suggestions or specific comments would be very welcome.

I'm not sure what you mean by monolithic - there *is* a deliberate design 
decision to integrate as much functionality as possible into fproxy via 
plugins, to make life easy for new users.
> 
>     - It's a bit of an overkill for what I wanted, which was a roaming
>       cache of data between me and a few friends.

:) Good hunting, I hope you can find something more appropriate.
> 
> I don't mean the above disrespectfully, I'm just pre-emting the "but
> why" question.
> 
> FWIW I'm currently checking out GNUNet which has much lower resource
> use and seems to have better command-line integration, and uses stuff
> like PGP.

There are a few command line clients for freenet but they tend to be 
unmaintained. They are however very easy to write as FCP does essentially 
everything for you. Of course specific suggestions for improving 
geek-friendliness would be welcome, especially if they are easy to implement.
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