Ok, thanks for the information. Em quinta-feira, 9 de fevereiro de 2023 às 05:02:39 UTC-3, [email protected] escreveu:
> We (the KiCad project) do not provide MacOS builds for older MacOS > systems. Usually we will maintain compatibility for the current and > previous MacOS versions. Sometimes, this may extend to the previous two > MacOS versions but maintaining support for older MacOS is extremely > difficult and would be a bad investment of limited developer time. > > That said, we provide build instructions on our website > https://dev-docs.kicad.org/en/build/macos/ for users that require > specialized versions. These instructions may or may not work properly for > older MacOS versions as they are only tested for current versions. > > Professional support services > https://www.kicad.org/help/professional-support/ do provide the option > for specialized builds and may be cost effective for you if you depend on > newer KiCad with older hardware for your business. > > Seth > > > [image: KiCad Services Corporation Logo] > Seth Hillbrand > *Lead Developer* > +1-530-302-5483 <(530)%20302-5483> > Long Beach, CA > www.kipro-pcb.com [email protected] > > > On Thu, Feb 9, 2023 at 4:11 AM 'Marco Aurélio Carvalho' via KiCad > Developers <[email protected]> wrote: > >> >> Complementing: >> using KiCAD 6 on Catalina and antialiasing settings to NO or HIGH Quality >> makes KiCAD perfect. No delay or slowness during resizing of windows or >> drawings SCH or PCB. Fast operation for designing SCH or PCB. Adjusting >> antialiasing for level FAST causes delays redrawing the windows but not >> resizing the drawings. So this level I do not use. >> >> Running GLView I noticed that OpenGL level maximum at 120fps is 3.3, >> provided by Intel for HD3000 graphics board. >> >> But running in Ventura (installed using open core) using KiCAD 6 or 7 >> causes delays for both windows or drawings resizing. >> Running GLView in this case I noticed that the OpenGL driver is provided >> by Apple and testing rendering the speed is much slower. >> >> I will install Big Sur with open core to see what happens but probably it >> will run slow too. >> >> The solution , if possible, is to compile version 7 to run on Catalina as >> a minimum OS. In this case I may run with OpenGL drivers provided by Intel >> for the HD3000 board, instead of the Apple new drivers provided for more >> modern graphic boards. Is it possible to compile for Catalina then? >> >> Em quarta-feira, 8 de fevereiro de 2023 às 23:04:37 UTC-3, Marco Aurélio >> Carvalho escreveu: >> >>> Mark, thanks for your answer. >>> Is it possible to compile KiCAD allowing version 7 to use Catalina >>> instead of BigSur as the minimum OS? >>> Version 6 I can run in Catalina and works. >>> I just finished testing KiCAD version 7 under Windows 10 (under Virtual >>> Box 6.142). It works without using OpenGL and for a small project it works >>> with some slowness. Virtual Box has a proprietary video driver that seems >>> to not use OpenGL, although the MACmini videocard is an Intel HD3000 which >>> is capable to use OpenGL3.1 (as I saw in a Microsoft forum). >>> Another possibility for me would to install a Linux or Windows in the >>> Macmini to test if they can run natively using the HD3000 Video card >>> directly. This would not run under MAC OS and Virtual Box and will take >>> some days to learn how to do it and install. >>> Em quarta-feira, 8 de fevereiro de 2023 às 21:50:52 UTC-3, >>> [email protected] escreveu: >>> >>>> We aren't using Metal at all, for now. >>>> >>>> >>>> >KiCAD is not a SW that demands high CPU power >>>> >>>> Computational geometry is actually quite demanding of CPU power as >>>> board complexity increases, so your statement is completely false. >>>> However for simple designs yes, it isn't a real needed. >>>> >>>> Most of your slow issues such as resizing windows is not a KiCad >>>> problem. We don't do anything special, in fact it's most likely your old >>>> hardware not playing nice with newer macos. >>>> >>>> On Wed, Feb 8, 2023 at 7:32 PM 'Marco Aurélio Carvalho' via KiCad >>>> Developers <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Hi folks, >>>>> I would like to ask developers of KiCAD to keep compatibility of KiCAD >>>>> 7 with older MAC machines that do not have GPU METAL compatibility. >>>>> Maybe >>>>> selecting properly options to not use the new METAL resource. >>>>> In my case I have a MACMINI Server mid 2011 with SSD and 16GB of RAM. >>>>> The machine is still capable of running actual SW, even running Catalina, >>>>> Big SUR, Monterey and Ventura versions of MAC OS (with open core legacy >>>>> patcher). But cannot use the GPU if the METAL interface is used. So >>>>> graphic >>>>> design is done by SW and very very slow. >>>>> KiCAD is not a SW that demands high CPU power. But since version 6 >>>>> (and now 7 requiring Big SUR) is not possible to use comfortably the SW. >>>>> Version 6 with Catalina is slow to resize windows but still usable. But >>>>> version 7 (with Ventura and open core) is to slow to do everything. I am >>>>> going to test version 7 under Windows running on Virtual Box to see if it >>>>> is usable. But in that scenario there are many resources to run windows. >>>>> Since there is a native MAC OS version it is a waste to use it under a >>>>> virtual machine and windows. >>>>> There must be a lot of MAC users that do not have modern machines but >>>>> still have old ones that are used for most of tasks. >>>>> Thanks >>>>> Marco Aurelio >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups "KiCad Developers" group. >>>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>>> https://groups.google.com/a/kicad.org/d/msgid/devlist/1229fc00-5baf-47d9-8f63-6007962e320cn%40kicad.org >>>>> >>>>> <https://groups.google.com/a/kicad.org/d/msgid/devlist/1229fc00-5baf-47d9-8f63-6007962e320cn%40kicad.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>>> . >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Mark >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "KiCad Developers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> > To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/a/kicad.org/d/msgid/devlist/0210cbff-fea7-4475-9f4e-1f184fcf8413n%40kicad.org >> >> <https://groups.google.com/a/kicad.org/d/msgid/devlist/0210cbff-fea7-4475-9f4e-1f184fcf8413n%40kicad.org?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "KiCad Developers" group. 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