On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 2:16 PM, Thomas Mortagne <[email protected]> wrote: > On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 14:02, Jerome Velociter <[email protected]> wrote: >> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 1:36 PM, Thomas Mortagne >> <[email protected]> wrote: >>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:32, Jerome Velociter <[email protected]> wrote: >>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:10 PM, Thomas Mortagne >>>> <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>> On Wed, Mar 23, 2011 at 12:05, Jerome Velociter <[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 6:17 PM, Ludovic Dubost <[email protected]> >>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Hi, >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I wanted to rename this project to Android/iPhone instead of Android >>>>>>> only. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I tend to think that today FULL native client development on Android or >>>>>>> iOS >>>>>>> is outdated. >>>>>>> There are now libraries like Appcelerator Titanium >>>>>>> (http://www.appcelerator.com/) or PhoneGap (http://www.phonegap.com/) >>>>>>> that allow to do cross platform development with "native UI" look and >>>>>>> feel >>>>>>> in Javascript and with very nice web integration. >>>>>> >>>>>> I support this approach too, and agree that a pure Android client does >>>>>> not bring much to the table. >>>>>> >>>>>> HTML/CSS/JS is becoming the logical run-time for mobile web-oriented >>>>>> apps. >>>>>> >>>>>> In addition to the integration library like titanium or PhoneGap we >>>>>> might want to look into a mobile dev UI framework like jquery mobile >>>>>> or JoApp (http://joapp.com/) >>>>> >>>>> Again that's form an UI point of view only which is not the main >>>>> concern of my proposal, feel free to add another GSOC project. >>>> >>>> No this has nothing to do with UI. It's about how one sees the >>>> development model for the mobile Web. >>>> >>>> Now I agree it can be viewed as a different project. I'm personally >>>> not going to add it because I believe the mobile skin project proposed >>>> by Caty is a good enough objective in the scope of the GSoC and that >>>> anything else in the mobile area would dilute the effort. And as Ludo >>>> stated, the mobile skin is sort of a pre-requisite for any good mobile >>>> app. >>>> That's just my opinion, if anyone thinks differently he can propose >>>> this project of course. >>> >>> The mobile skin is obviously needed and this project is not here to be >>> an alternative. And I agree with you that if it's only to provide a >>> mobile version of the XWiki UI, mobile skin is better and enough as >>> well as a lot more maintained. >>> >>> I think again you don't understand what this project is really about. >>> As I said in another thread page editing is just a useful demo >>> application of the use of the android xwiki client library which is >>> supposed to be used by any android application which wants to deal >>> with XWiki data to synchronize etc... >> >> >> Don't get me wrong, I understand the project and it scope, which can >> be wider than "just a mobile app" with a generic lib for android. >> I just don't think it's so interesting for XWiki right now - no offense. >> To disclose fully my reasoning, I think it's not a good idea to do 2 >> SoC projects in the mobile area (because even if the projects are not >> alternatives one to another, they still are both in the mobile area) ; >> and if I were to chose just one, it would obviously be the mobile skin >> one which if achieved brings great (and immediate) value. >> Again that's just my 2cts, others might not think like this. Right now >> we are in the project ideas phase so I really don't want to discourage >> anyone to get interested in it, share ideas, etc ; quite the opposite >> actually, the more insights the better. I just gave my take on the >> story. > > As you said we are in the proposal stage and the point is that there > will not be just one project to choose anyway so that's a discussion > for later. > > Of course all proposals does not bring the same value to XWiki itself > if I had to vote for only between theses two that it would be the skin > but that has nothing to do here. I don't see the point in trying to > determine which proposal is the best when it's two very different > stuff...
Just wanted to explain why I support Ludovic's vision but why I also would not add another project proposal. Nothing else ; and indeed that's not the place to debate what is best to do, that's why I took care of saying this was my personal opinion and nothing more. Sorry if this led to any kind of confusion. Jerome > >> >> Jerome >> >>> >>>> >>>> Jerome >>>> >>>>> >>>>>> >>>>>> Jerome >>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> I've done a prototype with Appcelerator and calling REST/JSON apis from >>>>>>> it >>>>>>> is a breeze and the result is a very nice native looking application. >>>>>>> The great advantage is to develope mostly once for both platforms. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Also the application is tightly connected to a good mobile skin. Indeed >>>>>>> given XWiki's web capabilities, you cannot have of an application >>>>>>> developped >>>>>>> on top of XWiki working on a mobile without actually calling the >>>>>>> application >>>>>>> itself in web mode (good example is a livetable). So you can't only >>>>>>> interact >>>>>>> with the content engine of XWiki. Therefore a good native mobile XWiki >>>>>>> application is a front end with nice "mobile" oriented widgets for the >>>>>>> home >>>>>>> page, the activity stream, the search and maybe others which then link >>>>>>> to >>>>>>> the native XWiki pages embedded in a mobile skin. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Althouth native mobile application + mobile skin are connected they can >>>>>>> still be viewed as different projects as the mobile skin can be used on >>>>>>> it's >>>>>>> own. >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Ludovic >>>>>>> >>>>>>> Le 20/03/11 18:00, Thomas Mortagne a écrit : >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Hi Rauf, >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Great you are interested in this project ! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Sun, Mar 20, 2011 at 17:32, Abdul Rauf<[email protected]> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Dear Thomas Mortagne >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am very excited to contribute in open source community through the >>>>>>>>> platform of Google Summer of Code 2011. I have visited the ideas page >>>>>>>>> of “XWiki” at http://dev.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/GoogleSummerOfCode/ >>>>>>>>> for >>>>>>>>> GSoC 2011. I am interested in working on “Google Android client” for >>>>>>>>> XWiki. >>>>>>>>> The reason being is my interest in smartphone development. I have >>>>>>>>> previously >>>>>>>>> worked in Windows Phone 7 and to some extent in Blackberry. I want to >>>>>>>>> experience development in other platforms such as Android. I've >>>>>>>>> worked in >>>>>>>>> Java, CSS, HTML and Javascript. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I am writing to let you know my understanding of the project and would >>>>>>>>> like >>>>>>>>> your feedback on it. My understanding of the requirements is as >>>>>>>>> follows: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> - To develop a smartphone application for XWiki. >>>>>>>>> - The application should be able to navigate wiki spaces and pages. >>>>>>>>> - The application should allow offline editing of wiki space and >>>>>>>>> pages >>>>>>>>> and synchronise results on connecting with the repository. >>>>>>>>> - The application should also allow users an option to launch a >>>>>>>>> browser >>>>>>>>> window. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> That is for the UI part yes. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> The user need a way to view the result and there is a lot of ways >>>>>>>> which are not requiring the same work: >>>>>>>> - launch the browser to the page (which will be the minimum for this >>>>>>>> GSOC) >>>>>>>> - integrate the browser into the application if you have more time >>>>>>>> - something event more integrated in the application if you have lot >>>>>>>> of time but i doubt it will be possible ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Plus any commons sense you are thinking of since you are probably more >>>>>>>> eperianced than me in mobile development ;) >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> But there is also another side of the project which is to develop a >>>>>>>> nice android library package that could be used by any other Android >>>>>>>> app to comunicate with XWiki. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> More than the featuires what is important is to have a good >>>>>>>> architecture (maven build, follow Andoird good practices) that will >>>>>>>> make what you did easy to improve and add other features later by >>>>>>>> someone else. That's the better way to make XWiki have a good android >>>>>>>> client in the long run. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I have some knowledge of XML-RPC client/server communication. However, >>>>>>>>> you >>>>>>>>> mentioned you are interested in using REST API for such communication. >>>>>>>>> Does >>>>>>>>> XWiki already have REST API or this API needs to be created as part of >>>>>>>>> this >>>>>>>>> project. Would you please refer me some material to study in this >>>>>>>>> regard? >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Yes there is already a very complete REST interface, a lot more >>>>>>>> complete than the XML-RPC one which is why the project should be based >>>>>>>> on it. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> I look forward to your response. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Notes: I only did a bit of Android developement mostly to test it so I >>>>>>>> will not be able to help much on very advanced Android stuff >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Rauf >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> University of Gloucestershire >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> devs mailing list >>>>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> -- >>>>>>> Ludovic Dubost >>>>>>> Blog: http://blog.ludovic.org/ >>>>>>> XWiki: http://www.xwiki.com >>>>>>> Skype: ldubost GTalk: ldubost >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>> devs mailing list >>>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>>>> >>>>>>> >>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>> devs mailing list >>>>>> [email protected] >>>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> Thomas Mortagne >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> devs mailing list >>>>> [email protected] >>>>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>>>> >>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Thomas Mortagne >>> _______________________________________________ >>> devs mailing list >>> [email protected] >>> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> devs mailing list >> [email protected] >> http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs >> > > > > -- > Thomas Mortagne > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > _______________________________________________ devs mailing list [email protected] http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs
