2016-11-28 13:04 GMT+01:00 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>: > Hi Guillaume, > > Note that I’ve renamed the thread since this is hijacking the original > thread. > > I just raised this point as a side note. Didn’t meant to discuss it in > this thread originally. > > For context, Guillaume is replying to: > > “ > Side note/wish: I’d love a shortcut key that you’d press to make the > current user advanced + show hidden docs. And if you press it again it does > the opposite. > “ > > > On 21 Nov 2016, at 15:17, Guillaume Delhumeau < > [email protected]> wrote: > > > > Vincent: why not introducing a "Developer" user, in addition of the > > "Admin", in the Jetty/HSQLDB package? It could even be done on snapshot > > versions only, since this is what developers use the most. > > I don’t like this option at all. > > Several users have asked about showing hidden docs. This is a common use > case and it’s not a “developer”’ feature IMO. It’s actually not a feature > for any category of users (user, admin, developer) but more a feature for > advanced users.
So do you think the "show hidden docs" shortcut would be enabled only for advanced users? Since we want "Admin" to not be an advanced user anymore, the problem remains the same: you will have to go to the profile to enable the options you want. > Some users have asked for this in jira or the list (for example one use > case that was asked was to be able to click on a filter/link/button when on > AllDocs page to list all pages displayed in the LT). > On the search page, or in the Index pages, it makes sense indeed. > > > I'm not in favor of introducing a shortcut key because it would concern > > every users who might engage the shortcut by mistake, resulting in a WTF > > effect. > > I disagree. Shortcuts need to be a combination of keys so that they cannot > be done by mistake ofc. All apps have tons of shortkeys. Why is that? > Because they’re useful! :) > >From my experience, it's true for native apps but for web apps it's not that common, especially since it can conflict with browser's short keys. But I can we wrong. Gmail have shortcuts, Facebook too. > > > Moreover, we already have too many shortcuts IMO, and they can be > > in conflict with browser's ones (think Ctrl+G for example). > > I disagree that we have too many shortcuts. Quite the opposite, I’d love > to have a lot more. For ex in order to be able to navigate quickly > (navigate to home, navigate to alldocs page, etc). > > > I believe a "Developer" user is what we really need. > > Actually that wouldn’t solve the problem I had either since it would mean > having to navigate to the user profile, make the change, go back to where > you were, check the hidden docs, then go back again to your user profile, > put back the profile again and navigate back… Doesn’t work! > Of course the "Developer" user would have the "show hidden docs" option enabled, and would be an "advanced user", so all you would have to do is to log-in as "Developer". > > I’m 100% sure that we need a shortcut for this (ie an advanced feature) > but we could also need something more visible (I’m not saying that a > shortcut is enough but for me it’s the minimum). > Indeed the option must be visible on every pages so that user can discover it along with its shortcut. Thanks, Guillaume > > Thanks > -Vincent > > > > > Thanks, > > > > 2016-10-17 13:52 GMT+02:00 Vincent Massol <[email protected]>: > > > >> > >>> On 17 Oct 2016, at 12:38, Marius Dumitru Florea < > >> [email protected]> wrote: > >>> > >>> On Thu, Oct 6, 2016 at 4:32 PM, Ecaterina Moraru (Valica) < > >> [email protected] > >>>> wrote: > >>> > >>>> Hi, > >>>> > >>>> A simple change that could improve the experience for newcomers would > be > >>>> that the default Admin user to have a simple type. > >>>> > >>>> One of the problems new users have is that they have too many options > in > >>>> the Edit menu and this can be confusing. > >>>> > >>>> The downside is that it will add an additional step for > >> developers/testers > >>>> to change the user type back (or at least until we provide a Developer > >>>> user/profile). > >>>> > >>>> Also we would need to make sure the documentation is up to date and > fix > >> the > >>>> tests. > >>>> > >>>> WDTY? > >>>> > >>> > >>> You're talking about the jetty+hsqldb distribution (the "ZIP Package" > >>> available on the download page)? Is this the most used / downloaded > >>> distribution? Because the other distributions don't have the Admin > user, > >>> see > >>> http://platform.xwiki.org/xwiki/bin/view/Features/ > >> DistributionWizard#HAdminuser > >>> . > >> > >> Is the Admin user that is created a simple user? > >> > >> Two options: > >> 1) either he is, in which case this gives another argument for creating > >> the Admin user as a simple user for the HSQLDB/Jetty packaging > >> 2) either he’s not (ie he’s created as an advanced one) and in this case > >> we should fix that in 2 places (in the HSLQDB/Jetty packaging + in the > code > >> that creates the Admin user for the other packagins). > >> > >> Thanks > >> -Vincent > >> > >>> Thanks, > >>> Marius > >>> > >>> > >>>> > >>>> I've created http://jira.xwiki.org/browse/XE-1580 > >>>> > >>>> Thanks, > >>>> Caty > >> > _______________________________________________ > devs mailing list > [email protected] > http://lists.xwiki.org/mailman/listinfo/devs > -- Guillaume Delhumeau ([email protected]) Research & Development Engineer at XWiki SAS Committer on the XWiki.org project
