Great discussion, I understand the sentiments being expressed. A quick note that my examples were were just demonstrating potential tracking scenarios that I am personally aware of (not currently in DHS2)
The ‘option’ to be able to turn this feature on, as an end-user capability, would perhaps be a useful compromise - give the power to the user of the device. That’s the request we’ve had at least. David On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 9:04 AM Jason Pickering <jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> wrote: > Well, it seems we are from David's suggestion unless I am misunderstanding > the requirement > > > - In large campaigns (e.g. Polio campaigns) where a large mobile > workforce are asked to go out to specific locations (villages, streets, > homes), you want to MAKE SURE that you’re not being ‘gamed’ … so an > automated unalterable location capture on a simple anonymous event survey > form, fulfils that monitoring purpose > - In conflict areas, you might want to set up (we may be looking at > this) a simple self-contained polling app that auto-captures GPS > coordinates every 30 minutes or so > > I think people will probably do this anyway, but I agree with Terje, that > this is not something that should be part of the core tools distributed by > the core dev team. If people want to do it, then they will probably figure > out a way to do it, but I would not want to install such an app on my own > device. Its bad enough as it is without having to worry about DHIS2 > continuously tracking you. > > Regards, > Jason > > > On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:56 AM, Knut Staring <knu...@gmail.com> wrote: > >> But you could give users the option of recording event locations >> automatically for a while for convenience, as Bram says. A user could then >> switch this feature on or off. >> >> We are not talking about continous tracking of movement, no location >> would be recorded unless the users explicitly records an event. >> >> Knut >> >> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 8:49 AM, Terje Aksel Sanner <tasan...@gmail.com> >> wrote: >> >>> In general it is not in our spirit to develop tools that easily lend >>> themselves to task force surveillance. >>> >>> On Fri, Mar 11, 2016 at 6:56 AM, Jason Pickering < >>> jason.p.picker...@gmail.com> wrote: >>> >>>> Moreover, it has privacy implications, and obviously, people would need >>>> to be informed they are being tracked. I don't like it and think it should >>>> require the explicit action of the user. >>>> >>>> Having said all of that, we have also implemented the "Coordinate" data >>>> value type, which is also meant to be able to allow recording of coordinate >>>> data in aggregate data sets (possibly tracker as well) which might be a >>>> distinct coordinate from the one of the event. I do not think it has been >>>> implemented as a feature in any of the clients at the moment, but it has >>>> been a requested feature to do this from some people. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Jason >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 10:49 PM, Rangarirai Matavire < >>>> matavi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>> >>>>> Seem I just waded into a storm. Notwithstanding, I stand unconvinced >>>>> about the necessity of such a feature. I do not think the aim was ever to >>>>> track healthworker locations. It was to track disease incidents. I do not >>>>> think anyone can provide evidence that such a feature has improved health >>>>> work. Knowing where someone is at a point in time is definitely distinct >>>>> from ensuring a service is provided adequately. I think there are better >>>>> ways. >>>>> On 10 Mar 2016 15:55, "David Hagan" <david.ha...@sagehagan.com> wrote: >>>>> >>>>>> Hi Ranga, >>>>>> >>>>>> I can think of a multitude of reasons, here’s a couple: >>>>>> >>>>>> - In large campaigns (e.g. Polio campaigns) where a large mobile >>>>>> workforce are asked to go out to specific locations (villages, >>>>>> streets, >>>>>> homes), you want to MAKE SURE that you’re not being ‘gamed’ … so an >>>>>> automated unalterable location capture on a simple anonymous event >>>>>> survey >>>>>> form, fulfils that monitoring purpose >>>>>> - In conflict areas, you might want to set up (we may be looking >>>>>> at this) a simple self-contained polling app that auto-captures GPS >>>>>> coordinates every 30 minutes or so >>>>>> - Just to save time for busy users who have queues of patients >>>>>> - …. >>>>>> >>>>>> I would also ask this functionality (a configuration option) to >>>>>> auto-capture reporting date/time as well! In one of our scenarios … data >>>>>> is >>>>>> only ever entered ‘live’ - so being able to capture both of these fields >>>>>> automatically saves time. >>>>>> >>>>>> Cheers >>>>>> >>>>>> David >>>>>> >>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 2:40 PM Rangarirai Matavire < >>>>>> matavi...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>> >>>>>>> Hello, >>>>>>> Why would that be necessary if when capturing data a user can simply >>>>>>> press a button to get co-ordinates? >>>>>>> Thanks, >>>>>>> Ranga >>>>>>> On 10 Mar 2016 14:56, "David Hagan" <david.ha...@sagehagan.com> >>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>> >>>>>>>> I second the request! >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> Our users would also like that ability for the Android Event >>>>>>>> Capture and Tracker Capture Apps (perhaps a configuration setting we >>>>>>>> can >>>>>>>> specify?) to allow the auto-capture of GPS coordinates. >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> David >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:47 PM Erling Fjeldstad <erl...@dhis2.org> >>>>>>>> wrote: >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Hi Simon, >>>>>>>>> The Android Event Capture app and Android Tracker Capture app >>>>>>>>> allows you to collect GPS coordinates. However, this is not >>>>>>>>> automatically, >>>>>>>>> the users needs to manually press the 'coordinate button' and then the >>>>>>>>> Android system fetches your GPS coordinates. >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> Regards, >>>>>>>>> Erling - DHIS2 Android Team >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> On Thu, Mar 10, 2016 at 1:39 PM, Simon Muyambo < >>>>>>>>> smmuya...@gmail.com> wrote: >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> I want users to auto load coordinates when capturing data on >>>>>>>>>> location using tablets. Anyone know if there is suitable app or set >>>>>>>>>> up to >>>>>>>>>> achieve this? >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Regards* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> *Simon Muyambo* >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> __________ Information from ESET NOD32 Antivirus, version of >>>>>>>>>> virus signature database 13156 (20160310) __________ >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> The message was checked by ESET NOD32 Antivirus. >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> http://www.eset.com >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>>> Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>> Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>> Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net >>>>>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>>>>> >>>>>>>> >>>>> _______________________________________________ >>>>> Mailing list: https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>> Post to : dhis2-users@lists.launchpad.net >>>>> Unsubscribe : https://launchpad.net/~dhis2-users >>>>> More help : https://help.launchpad.net/ListHelp >>>>> >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Jason P. 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