Nick Sabalausky, el 23 de noviembre a las 08:54 me escribiste: > "Leandro Lucarella" <l...@llucax.com.ar> wrote in message > news:20101123050406.gj8...@llucax.com.ar... > > Nick Sabalausky, el 22 de noviembre a las 12:54 me escribiste: > >> "Manfred_Nowak" <svv1...@hotmail.com> wrote in message > >> news:xns9e38b3afcd756svv1999hotmail...@65.204.18.192... > >> > Russel Winder wrote: > >> > > >> >> but it has come to the end of its useful life > >> > > >> > why. I ask because I just realized, that llvm still uses it. > >> > > >> > >> Make's in the same boat as C++: Highly significant in the past, and still > >> used because of intertia, but garbage by modern standards. > > > > !? > > > > Generally people that say that is people that don't understand Make. > > See, that's a big part of the issue I have with make. I've spent an enormus > amout of time with it and with various documentation for it (including > O'Rielly books), and trying to use it still feels like complete voodoo. I > *don't* understand make despite my many attempts. That's the problem. Every > non-make-based alternative that I've tried, I've understood just fine.
I agree with a lot of that. I had several attempts at learning it and failed a lot of times. I found Ask Mr. Make (and the GMake ML) very good resources for learning: http://www.cmcrossroads.com/ask-mr-make Is really hard to learn, but when you get it, it makes sense. That doesn't mean it doesn't have quite a few things that can be improved (like detecting file changes using some hash instead of mtime). But still I think is a pretty good tool, very flexible. > > Make is not a build system, make is a unix tool, it does one thing and > > it do it well, and that thing is rebuilding something based on > > dependencies. Usually Make is a tool to use as a building block when you > > need something more complex. > > > > Make is a great tool, just don't ask it to do things it doesn't suppose > > to do. > > In other words, it's great as long as you have limited requirements or like > to toss a pile of different programs, likely each with their own DSL, at a > single damn task (project building)...and if you actually understand it. Yes, or you can use something done by somebody else (like dmake, cmake, etc. :). I think of Make as some kind of C of build systems. You can write C directly but is hard, you can provide a decently easy to use C interface to do complex thing with a high level specification, or you can directly build a tool that spits C to do the work. And I don't think C is obsolete or going away in a near future. My real problem with other build system was, they were not flexible enough, or harder to use/maintain than a good makefile, and I looked hard. -- Leandro Lucarella (AKA luca) http://llucax.com.ar/ ---------------------------------------------------------------------- GPG Key: 5F5A8D05 (F8CD F9A7 BF00 5431 4145 104C 949E BFB6 5F5A 8D05) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Robar un alfajor es revolucionario, pues rompe con la idea de propiedad, incluso más que si se tratara de dinero. -- publikazion anarkista mdp (hablando de los destrozos de la Cumbre de las Americas en Mar del Plata, 2005)