On Wednesday, 29 March 2023 at 15:26:21 UTC, Steven Schveighoffer
wrote:
On 3/28/23 6:42 PM, ryuukk_ wrote:
Am i the only want who want to improve things, is it a lost
cause?
I'm not one to use a debugger often, but it is very helpful for
many people. I lament that the Windows debugging situation out
of the box is dreadful. The students I teach D to I don't show
the debugger because I'm worried it would confuse them more
than help.
I only use windows because i'm making a game and i have to test
on that platform
I both don't use Windows and mostly do debugging via writeln,
so for something that doesn't affect me much, I tend not to put
effort in. I'm hoping someone who is motivated enough will do
it.
I am motivated, hopefully someone more knowledgeable can join me
figure that out
If I recall correctly, visual studio debugging is better than
the other solutions. But I don't know having never got
debugging to work. I've heard that mago is supposed to work
better, and was written for D, but is Visual Studio dependent:
https://github.com/rainers/mago
I wonder if there isn't some way to make this work well for
other IDEs? I couldn't get it to work on VSCode.
That's unfortunate that the solution is bound to a proprietary
editor that requires a license
Effort should be made in the open and be universal, so it's easy
to port/adapt to other tools/platforms
Coordinated efforts is the way to go, Go/Rust/Zig people are
demonstrating this very well and it helped their growth
Should i move on?
In any case, the debugging experience isn't perfect, but seems
like a drastic measure to leave D altogether if you can't debug
globals.
-Steve
I exaggerate a little bit i must admit it, but I'm trying to
raise awareness, when other languages have no problem with
debugging out of the box on popular IDEs, why should it have
problems only with D?
Currently, at least on windows, there are 2 problems with
debugging:
- global variables
- extern(C) variables
I'm willing to find the cause for the 1st one, then i'll attempt
the 2nd one, so expect more frustrated posts
I should emphasis again that the reason why i'm into this mess is
due to a bug i'm trying to debug related to loading a shared DLL
built using DMD on windows, wich apparently is known to be broken
for YEARS.. great, more people should voice their complains, D is
not a new language..
So what to expect other than frustration? specially when people
keep recommending to use "workarounds", well, if the fix is a
workaround, one shouldn't be surprised to see people getting
frustrated every so often
Also it's more of an accumulation of problems that makes me very
annoyed
https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=20737
This for example shouldn't be a thing in 2023, period
