On Saturday, 18 October 2014 at 00:06:10 UTC, ketmar via
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:
On Fri, 17 Oct 2014 23:31:45 +0000
Joakim via Digitalmars-d-learn
<digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com>
wrote:
You do realize that most people are clueless about how to fix
those also, right?
most people are stupid.
No disagreement there, but even the smart ones can only learn so
much.
Would you require that how to fix all that mechanical stuff be
taught in schools too?
but it is! or at least it was. it's all simple physics, you
know. not a
rocket science.
Many people do not learn simple physics in school, and even if
they did, wouldn't necessarily be able to figure out how to fix a
specific mechanical system like a washing machine from the
general physical principles.
Kids would never leave school if they had to learn all the
stuff everybody says they should be forced to learn. ;)
nobody should be *forced* to learn: it's pointless. yet kids
are very
curious, and they can be taught *alot* of things if they think
that
they are "just playing". make it interesting, and you'll be
amazed how
much kids can learn almost without problems.
Yeah, we agree if you truly mean making most of what they learn
optional, not just "fun" but still required. Most of the stuff
we force on kids today, like multiplication tables, how to divide
numbers by hand, or memorizing historical dates, is utterly
useless.
Yet, civilization is made up of people like you, who would all
miss those mechanical systems far more than computers.
it's a huge difference between "i miss my washing machine" and
"all our
communication and data processing systems are foobared".
Yet, I bet you they'll want that washing machine working far more
than the internet.
They should use tools like Automator instead, no programming
needed:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Automator_(software)
i wasn't talking about sorting out file mess. i was talking
about
tabular data processing, for example, with some logics and
calculations
that can't be done automatically without programming.
Isn't that what people use Excel macros for? There are
specialized tools for the job, that are more limited than full
programming languages but easier to use for the average person.
Tablets are optimized for basic usage
what is "basic usage"? i really don't know what tablets are
for. what i
can do with it? watching movie? listening music? reading book?
yes,
tablets can do this... badly. what else?
All of the above, anything you'd use a portable computer for that
doesn't require much typing and would benefit from a larger
screen than your smartphone. I wouldn't say they do it all
badly: it's the most portable "TV" you could ever have, if you
use it to watch video. And you're not limited to the junk on the
idiot box, you can download any video from the web and watch on
the go. Most websites benefit from a larger screen also.
i can listen music with my N900, and it fits in my pocket.
movies? on tablet screen? no, thanks.
books? "electronic books" are better.
I've watched parts of movies on my 4.7" smartphone screen, which
happens to have the best display I've ever used. Tablets are
even better for video. I don't read books anymore, but with
their high-res displays up to 200-300 ppi these days, reading
text is very nice on tablets too.
tablets are like XML: bad for everything.
Now that's just low, you can't compare anything to the utter junk
that is XML. :)
Most people just need a basic appliance that isn't going to
catch viruses or require registry hacks.
give 'em wooden board with painting. it's great!
It's a little better than that. ;)
It is completely different, because there are tools like
Automator to help you automate your workflow without needing
to write anything.
oh, please. i can do batch renaming with wildcards, and for any
task that is more complex than that there *is* a need to write
logic. scripts. "graphic programming" is a dead end. people
drop icons
in favor of alphabet 'cause alphabet is just better.
Actually, the progression went the other way, people dropped text
UIs for graphical UIs. :) I'm not saying _you_ need to leave the
terminal, but for most people GUI tools like Automator are enough.
If you need to communicate something on paper- well, nobody
uses paper these days
i wish that the goverment of my country knows about that. and
banking.
somehow they still insist to have everything written on paper.
Well, the government is the most backwards part of any country.
For most people, that is a better route, particularly if they
don't need to modify the script as they go and just need it
written once.
so instead of spending ten minutes to write the script they'll
spend a
day searching for someone to hire and pay him money. great.
thanks to
such people we have "don't put your pet into microwave"-like
instructions. and that instructions are pointless 'cause such
people
never reads any instructions anyway.
most people are stupid, but that's not what scares me alot.
what really
scare me is that most people *love* to be stupid and fight for
the
right to be stupid with passion.
p.s. me too. i can't force myself to take English courses for
five
damned years!
I wouldn't be so quick to call it "stupid" as much as learning
takes effort and you only have so much time and effort to learn
so much stuff. Better to focus on the stuff that interests you
and leave the programming to others, at least for most people.
On Saturday, 18 October 2014 at 00:11:18 UTC, ketmar via
Digitalmars-d-learn wrote:
On Sat, 18 Oct 2014 03:05:58 +0300
ketmar via Digitalmars-d-learn
<digitalmars-d-learn@puremagic.com>
wrote:
p.p.s. just in case: i'm not talking about personalities here,
sorry if
i was offencive.
Nothing offensive about what you wrote.
