On Sunday, 9 February 2020 at 18:17:13 UTC, JN wrote:
On Sunday, 9 February 2020 at 13:22:56 UTC, solnce wrote:
I really enjoy Pascal having Lazarus. Although it is not
perfected, it provides very good start for beginners - native
IDE, RAD, easy to setup and adjust, integrated debugger. All
that beginners need to have for good start at no time cost. It
is just language doesn't evolve itself.
There isn't anything comparable to RAD for D. There was one
being developed in the days od D1 for the DFL UI library -
http://www.dprogramming.com/entice.php , but it's been long
dead.
You can use GLADE to design an interface and then load it in a
GtkD.
And it is after 13 years of in active development and being
successor (as it claims so) to C++. ADA has it, Eiffel has it,
FPC, Gambino many niche and small languages have it, why D,
which has much wider application, cannot have it? I think
that is natural further evolution of any programming language.
I think the text editor/IDE landscape changed a little in last
decade or so. Editors such as Sublime Text or Ultraedit lost
their popularity, so did small language specific IDEs such as
Dev-C++ or Code::blocks. Most of users of these IDEs migrated
to the big projects like VSCode, Visual Studio or IntelliJ.
Also, the introduction of language servers allows working on
IDE support, without being bound to a specific IDE.
Editors/IDEs such as VSCode have a massive ecosystem. Why not
take advantage of it, rather than start from scratch.
No, I understand that and agree - VSCode is impressive and I'll
try it, but what is wrong with idea to have a dedicated IDE? At
least one. C/C++ has tons of these and many of these are being
actively developed, so why D cannot have? Especially when it is
aiming to replace C/C++. Argument that VSCode is pretty much
enough for most task it is ok, but is not very valid. The same
applies to D itself - why to make a new language then when there
is C++ around and there is a tons of IDE's for it.
Personally I feel this is more about lack of the vision, as
Alexandrescu once said. Now it feels like D is mostly the
compiler, but I think, that having one big mega project (like
IDE+RAD) could give a new breath and significance to D language.
