On Tue, 30 Jul 2013 12:02:46 -0700, Andrei Alexandrescu
<[email protected]> wrote:
On 7/30/13 11:35 AM, Walter Bright wrote:
On 7/30/2013 11:18 AM, Andrei Alexandrescu wrote:
Thanks for this anecdote. It's at the very best circumstantial. (With
the engine
off, the oil pump wasn't even started!)
The oil pump is driven by the crankshaft, so if the engine is turning,
the oil pump is. (There are some highly specialized race engines with an
electric oil pump, but that is highly unlikely here.)
I was told by U-Haul that when towing a car long distance, you couldn't
just put the manual transmission in neutral. You had to take the
driveshaft out, because the transmission was designed to circulate the
oil based on the front shaft turning, not the back shaft. It would sieze
after a while if you only turned the back shaft.
So that invalidates the anecdote.
I also pointed out the "hammering" effect of alternately forward driving
then back driving the rotating parts, as the parts forcefully take up
the slack of hysteresis.
I guess any brisk adjustment of throttle would be unadvisable, one
direction or another (i.e. releasing the clutch with a large difference
in rotation). Back driving, however, happens as soon as one just lifts
the foot off the pedal - the inertia of the car pushes on the engine.
I also pointed out the effect of unburned gas from backdriving washing
oil off of the cylinder walls causing undue wear. This definitely
happens with carbureted cars, but with modern fuel injection the fuel is
shut off when backdriving.
That's my understanding as well. With fuel injection, essentially
backdriving is rolling on zero gas consumption while preserving some
mechanical energy - aweee-sooome.
Andrei
Back driving ("compression braking" in the automotive world) is indeed a
recommend procedure in modern cars. My dad (ASE Master Tech) recommends it
as a way to save wear on the brakes and is as you've noted, quite an
efficient use of energy. Heck, it's one of the first things he taught me
how to do when I was learning how to drive.
Toyota took it one step further and built a capability into the Prius
where the electric driveline reverses it's polarity and uses motors to
slow down the car while simultaneously recharging the battery as the car
slows down instead of using the brakes. It's called regenerative braking.
Needless to say, we don't do brakes very often on Prius'.
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