On Wednesday, 6 November 2013 at 13:39:51 UTC, Russel Winder
wrote:
On Wed, 2013-11-06 at 08:26 +0100, Paulo Pinto wrote:
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I rather use D than Go, but it has more to do with Go's
community with their religion decisions about generics,
dynamic loading, exceptions, enumerations, package management
than anything else.
I find the Go community excellent. The mailing list is only a
small part
of the community. Try coming to one of the monthly Go user group
meetings in London.
A bit far away from Düsseldorf. :)
All communities are "religious". This D community takes
religious
decisions just as much as the Go, Scala, C++, etc. ones. The
position on
generics is not strange if you understand the Go language, it's
computational model and philosophy. Go is taking a non-standard
position, but it is not wrong, it just means that approaches to
algorithms you would take in Ada, C++, D, Rust, Java, Scala,
etc. do not
apply directly to Go. It is a shift of mindset and view. If
this doesn't
work for you, fine.
The language follows the Pascal tradition of type declarations
and safety before performance dirty tricks. I find quite
appealing its Oberon and Alef/Lingo influences.
It is good enough for many cases where people, wrongly, still
use C. For example, the complete UNIX user space.
Now for those of us that have become used to the niceties the
mainstream languages have adopted from academia in the last 30
years, Go feels a bit too light.
But for those people seeking a native code language coming from
Python,
Go is a breath of fresh air where D, C++, etc. are
claustrophobic
language stuck in the attitudes of the 1970s.
I think the main issue is that many of those developers never
learned the toolchains of Pascal family of languages and have so
far mixed the C/C++ toolchains with native development.
Anyway on my day job, we will not be moving away from JVM/.NET
world any time soon.
You and most of the rest of the world. This is why Java 8,
Ceylon,
Kotlin, and Groovy (not to mention Clojure) on the one hand and
C# and
F# (not to mention VB) are way more important for most
programmers than
C, C++, D, Go, Rust.
Yep, on my area of work I can only use those languages on hobby
projects.
My last C++ work project was in 2006 and we routinely replace
C/C++ systems by JVM/.NET based ones, with C/C++ leftovers for
the few cases where no other solution is possible.
Even for gaming hobby stuff I am using Unity/LibGDX which are
good enough for my humble graphic skills.
--
Paulo
