On Mon, May 05, 2014 at 06:16:34AM +0000, Arlen via Digitalmars-d wrote: > On Sunday, 4 May 2014 at 22:56:41 UTC, H. S. Teoh via > Digitalmars-d wrote: > >On Sat, May 03, 2014 at 10:48:47PM -0500, Caligo via Digitalmars-d wrote: > >[...] > >>Last but not least, currently there are two main ways for new > >>features to make it into D/Phobos: you either have to belong to the > >>inner circle, or have to represent some corporation that's doing > >>something with D. > > > >I'm sorry, but this is patently false. I am neither in the inner > >circle, nor do I represent any corporation, yet I've had many changes > >pulled into Phobos (including brand new code). > > > >I can't say I'm perfectly happy with the D development process > >either, but this kind of accusation is bordering on slander, and > >isn't helping anything. [...] > There is a lot of truth in what Caligo has said, but I would word > that part of it differently. > > A couple years ago I submitted std.rational, but it didn't go > anywhere. About a year later I discovered that someone else had > done a similar thing, but it never made it into Phobos either. > Of course, it's not because we didn't belong to some "inner > circle", but I think it has to do with the fact that D has a very > poor development process. The point being, something as simple > as a Rational library shouldn't take years for it to become part > of Phobos, specially when people are taking the time to do the > work. [...]
This wording is much more acceptable. ;-) While I think accusations of an "elite inner circle" are unfounded (and unfair), I do agree with the sentiment. I think some time ago there was some talk about very old pull requests that have been stuck at the bottom of the queue for months or even years, and nobody was looking at them. I don't know what came out of that talk, though -- apparently not very much. :-( OTOH, I did find that stubbornness and persistence help. If you keep pestering everybody about your new contribution, and keep pushing it even if people seem to ignore/dislike it, keep updating your pull even if it seems nobody cares, eventually somebody will take notice and do something about it. Of course, this is not ideal -- open source projects really should be actively welcoming new contributions, not merely passively accepting them -- but that's the way it is right now, and I'm not sure how to change that. Perhaps stubborn and persistent pestering of the PTBs until they change? Might help, you never know. ;-) T -- Unix was not designed to stop people from doing stupid things, because that would also stop them from doing clever things. -- Doug Gwyn
