Nick Sabalausky wrote:
"Walter Bright" <newshou...@digitalmars.com> wrote in message
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Bill Baxter wrote:
But it doesn't sound to me like it will be that much use to serious IDEs.
Possibly not, but for lightweight IDEs I think it would be of much use. It
would also make things very accessible to Emacs and Vim, two very widely
used programmers' editors.
(One thing I like about Vim is I can run it remotely via putty. A
graphical gui IDE is impractical to use remotely, and yes, I've tried
remote desktops. Unusable.)
A different branch of the this topic started taking about (or rather,
bashing on) web-apps-being-used-as-desktop-apps, and I mentioned I felt that
was ass-backwards and that the focus should be the other way around: making
desktop apps work on the web.
What you say here is actually hinting at what I meant: What we need is a
proper GUI equivalent to something like TTY or telnet. Not remote desktops,
which really just act like streaming video, but something that'll say "Hey
client, host here, talking through something much more appropriate than
XML/HTTP, I want a button that says 'Ok' at (7,14) with size (50,20) on the
form 'FooForm', and if the user wants a skin, may I suggest (but not insist)
the 'buttonSkinFoo' that I already sent you earlier, plus I need a
user-editable textbox over here...etc." (In fact, I think X11 already
provides something like this in a slightly more low-level form)
[snip]
Video game developers don't make multiplayer games by sending a compressed
video stream of the fully-rendered frame - they know that would be unusable.
Instead, they just send the minimum higher-level information that's actually
needed, like "PlayerA changed direction 72 degrees" (over-simplification, of
course). And they send it to a client that'll never insist on crap like
interpreted JS or open-for-interpretation standards. And when there's a
technology that's inadequate for their needs, like TCP, they make a proper
replacement instead of hacking in a half-assed "solution" on top of the
offender, TCP. And it works great even though those programs have visuals
that are *far* more complex than a typical GUI app. So why can't a windowing
toolkit be extended to do the same? And do so *without* building it on top
such warped, crumbling, mis-engineered foundations as (X)HTML, Ajax, etc.?
It sounds like you are talking about Immediate Mode Graphical User
Interface ?
Have you checked out Hybrid (IMGUI) developed by team0xf ?
See
http://hybrid.team0xf.com/wiki/
Nick B
