On Tue, 20 Oct 2009 11:10:20 -0400, Bill Baxter <wbax...@gmail.com> wrote:

On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 6:25 AM, Steven Schveighoffer
<schvei...@yahoo.com> wrote:
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 17:05:39 -0400, Walter Bright
<newshou...@digitalmars.com> wrote:

The purpose of T[new] was to solve the problems T[] had with passing T[] to a function and then the function resizes the T[]. What happens with the
original?

The solution we came up with was to create a third array type, T[new],
which was a reference type.

Andrei had the idea that T[new] could be dispensed with by making a
"builder" library type to handle creating arrays by doing things like
appending, and then delivering a finished T[] type. This is similar to what std.outbuffer and std.array.Appender do, they just need a bit of refining.

The .length property of T[] would then become an rvalue only, not an
lvalue, and ~= would no longer be allowed for T[].

We both feel that this would simplify D, make it more flexible, and remove
some awkward corner cases like the inability to say a.length++.

What do you think?

At the risk of sounding like bearophile -- I've proposed 2 solutions in the
past for this that *don't* involve creating a T[new] type.

1. Store the allocated length in the GC structure, then only allow appending when the length of the array being appended matches the allocated length.

2. Store the allocated length at the beginning of the array, and use a bit in the array length to determine if it starts at the beginning of the block.

The first solution has space concerns, and the second has lots more
concerns, but can help in the case of having to do a GC lookup to determine if a slice can be appended (you'd still have to lock the GC to do an actual
append or realloc).  I prefer the first solution over the second.

I like the current behavior *except* for appending.  Most of the time it
does what you want, and the syntax is beautiful.

In regards to disallowing x ~= y, I'd propose you at least make it
equivalent to x = x ~ y instead of removing it.

If you're going to do ~= a lot then you should convert to the dynamic
array type.
If you're not going to do ~= a lot, then you can afford to write out x = x ~ y.

The bottom line is that it just doesn't make sense to append onto a
"view" type.  It's really a kind of constness.  Having a view says the
underlying memory locations you are looking at are fixed.  It doesn't
make sense to imply there's an operation that can change those memory
locations (other than shrinking the window to view fewer of them).

Having the append operation extend into already allocated memory is an optimization. In this case, it's an optimization that can corrupt memory.

If we can make append extend into already allocated memory *and* not cause corruption, I don't see the downside. And then there is one less array type to deal with (, create functions that handle, etc.).

Besides, I think Andrei's LRU solution is better than mine (and pretty much in line with it).

I still think having an Appender object or struct is a worthwhile thing, the "pre-allocate array then set length to zero" model is a hack at best.

-Steve

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