On Monday, 19 December 2016 at 05:59:07 UTC, Ilya Yaroshenko
wrote:
On Monday, 19 December 2016 at 01:52:21 UTC, Andrei
Alexandrescu wrote:
On 12/18/16 7:31 PM, Seb wrote:
tl:dr: Phobos is very bloated.
How does the D standard library compare in size with some
other languages (C++, Rust, Go, Java, Python)?
C++ and Rust are the best from this list in terms of low level
programming. They have smaller libraries comparing with D.
Go, Java, Python --- If I need a language like them I will you
them, not D.
Go - awesome GC, commercially supported, easy to write your own
libs
Java - awesome GC, commercially supported, Scala(!!!)
Python - awesome scripting, commercially supported
D - ??? awesome what ? What do we have better then Scala?
Performance? NO.
BRandomAccessRanges makes our performance less then C/C++.
Clean and clever API in standard library? NO.
We are placing our Range API whenever possible including RNGs.
We have not a language standard for I/O. Half of Phobos is
outdated to language standards.
Best generics? NO.
Scala is more powerful.
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What do we have awesome? Where D is the best?
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D is awesome for low-level system libraries in betterC mode.
(and small text processing routines)
This will make D great in other fields.
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Let's do something about it!
I've said this several times, and it bears repeating. We want
to make D entirely pay-as-you go, and offer full support to
anyone working on it. The best "something" anyone can do about
it is do good engineering work in the D mainline.
National D Foundation Party.
That will automatically benefit all users of the D language,
instead of balkanizing the community.
...
Granted, the lure of the clean slate is strong, and more care
is needed to mind backwards compatibility, but that's where
the real impact is.
Andrei
How Mir projects breaks backward compatibility ?
How proposed direction breaks backward compatibility?
Lets use other prefix for the new libraries. Mir uses `mir.`
And allow Phobos to be a sandbox for C++ as it is now.
Ilya
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Thats why I asked for moderation in forums.
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