On Sunday, 24 December 2017 at 22:55:12 UTC, aberba wrote:
On Friday, 22 December 2017 at 10:06:18 UTC, Joakim wrote:
This one of the main strengths of D, it is what Walter focuses
on, yet I have seen almost nothing on the D blog talking about
this. What brought me to emphasize this today is this recent
post about how long it takes to compile the mostly-C++
Chromium web browser and the reddit discussion about it:
[...]
Memory consumption is a deal breaker.
The dmd frontend prioritized speed over memory, which can cause
problems with large or CTFE-heavy projects on low-memory systems:
http://www.drdobbs.com/cpp/increasing-compiler-speed-by-over-75/240158941
On Wednesday, 27 December 2017 at 21:23:15 UTC, Atila Neves wrote:
I thought D did market itself that way.
It has historically been a selling point, but perhaps it has been
taken for granted. I'm saying it needs a marketing push now.
I just went and checked the front page of the website, and I see
a new marketing slogan that was added a couple weeks ago, "write
fast, read fast, and run fast. Fast code, fast:"
https://github.com/dlang/dlang.org/pull/1965
However, "build fast" is not included in that list. You could
argue it's implied by "write fast" or the last "code, fast," but
it's not mentioned in the list under "write fast" below. So even
the front page doesn't highlight build speed, one of the core
advantages of D.
However, my experience has been that D has fast builds from
scratch, but is really really slow for incremental builds.
Here's the thing: personally I don't care about anything except
incremental builds. It's great that Phobos compiles in seconds
when I do a git fetch after months. Win! Oh wait, I'm working
on a bug, changed one character and it still takes the same
amount of time...
Given that I write D code every day now, this incremental
compilation situation is driving me nuts, and I'm definitely
going to do something about it.
It's getting so bad that the day at work I had to write C++ I
was happy. Because the edit-compile-link-test cycle was
_faster_. Think about that for a bit - I enjoyed writing C++
(!!! either it or Scala are the slowest languages to compile
ever) because I got faster feedback. Epic fail.
It's also possible I use templates and CTFE more that the
regular D programmer. But... they're some of the main reasons I
use D in the first place! I don't want to write Java in D
syntax.
What do you plan to do about it?
