On Thursday, 25 January 2018 at 19:54:55 UTC, H. S. Teoh wrote:
I like this idea quite much, actually, in spite of the lack of support for implicit conversions, which is a loss (but as you said, we can't support that without breaking a lot of existing stuff or introducing massive changes that are unlikely to be accepted by Walter & Andrei).

Yeah. Arrays and pointers are special, and turn into their head-mutable equivalents completely unbidden, when passed to functions. No other types in the language does that, and it seems a weird semantic to specify for a given type, especially if just for making head-mutable work.


Basically, instead of a bunch of convoluted rules with poorly-understood corner cases, we delegate the responsibility of constructing a head mutable type to the type itself, so the user code decides for itself how to construct such a thing. It's a clever idea.

Thank you. Given D's template system is very powerful, I think a solution where the type couldn't define its own conversion wouldn't be anywhere near viable.


In fact, if the standard implementation of opHeadMutable is basically the same across all types (or most types), it could even be provided as a mixin template in the library, then all you have to do is to `mixin headMutable` or something along those lines, and off you go.

I believe this should be possible, but https://issues.dlang.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11098 causes me headaches:

mixin template headMut()
{
    auto opHeadMutable(this This)()
    {
import std.traits : CopyTypeQualifiers, TemplateArgsOf, TemplateOf;
        import std.meta : staticMap;

        alias Tmpl = TemplateOf!This;
        alias Args = TemplateArgsOf!This;

        template Apply(T...)
        {
            static if (is(T[0]))
alias Apply = HeadMutable!(CopyTypeQualifiers!(This, T));
            else
alias Apply = T; // cannot use local '__lambda1' as parameter
        }

        alias ReturnType = Tmpl!(staticMap!(Apply, Args));

        return ReturnType(this);
    }
}

Another thought: T.opHeadMutable() and the free function headMutable() do basically the same thing, and could be unified through UFCS. There'd be a free function headMutable() that works for built-in types and UDTs that don't define their own T.headMutable(), and then UDTs with T.headMutable() would Just Work™. One less moving part.


Questions:
Is a DIP required for this? Should I create a PR implementing this for the range types in Phobos? What other types would benefit from this?
[...]

Since this would be introducing new symbols to Phobos, as well as, arguably, a new paradigm (or a significant extension to the existing paradigms), I think it would be best to get Andrei's attention on this issue and persuade him to support this, before submitting any PRs, lest the PR gets stuck in the queue over nitpicks and rot forever.

My thoughts exactly, and the reason I haven't yet created a PR for it.


For one thing, I'm in favor of something in this general direction (even if it doesn't end up being this specific proposal), so that we can use const more pervasively than right now, because currently, the transitivity of const severely limits how much code can actually use it. As Jonathan David has said, many of us have pretty much given up on const because it's just too difficult to work with. Having standard library support for .headMutable is an important first step in making const more widely usable, so that more code can benefit from its guarantees.

Thanks. I hope it can at least be a stepping stone on the way.

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