On 15.08.2010 23:24, BLS wrote:
But somehow I am not able to figure out what your opinion is regarding
an incubator project :)
Well.. I think it's a good idea, but I don't really think I have an
opinion. I have no idea how patches are dealt with, and I'm new to D,
phobos.
If you're really, really bored, read on for a long rant:
(serious rant ahead..)
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(still bored?...)
If patches isn't attended to it's better to have a a "scrapple" project
like tango.
Just require the boost, or compatible, license and let the phobos core
developers pick and refactor as they like.
I haven't gotten the idea it's a PhD mentality now, people get's picked
up as core developers from good contributions (from bugzilla?, but maybe
they're all PhD's :) ).
Can't you just set up a project at dsource (phobos_incubus or
something), put up a lot of code you've done, and announce it? I'm sure
a lot will follow.
I'm "new" to D (have coded _one_ nontrivial project in d1 between 07-09,
but no d2 experience) and from what I see, several people have a lot of
_almost_ the same templates in their libraries (mostly type/traits stuff).
Nobody has taken the time to go through these, generalized them, and put
them to phobos.
Hopefully, with an initiative like this, people with put a lot of
"almost" generalized code from their libraries into the public so
std.traits++ can grow.
It's easy to get into the "give me what I want" mode, but I don't pay
any money, and as far as I know, there are nobody's actually making any
money of D.
No companies are supporting D either financially or with success stories
(outside digitalmars that is a _one_ man army(!) ).
There are very few contractors - and none of these are making much money
of D.
D still have very few contributors, some maintaining the gnu frontend
(d1), some lcc (d1) and walter+co(d1/d2).
I still dream of the day when D has a D frontend, backend and is
implemented as SaaS so every IDE has good support for it :)
But... The fact that d2 is not stable yet (despite of the fact that
Andreis book should end this) is a huge problem. When will actually D be
stable??? I used it a couple of years ago, AFTER it has been made
stable, and it was a really pain in the ass!... I'm actually for
breaking compability between versions in an evolving language, but in
the case on D1 I had to update _ALL_ libraries I was working on... With
_every_ compiler release!
But; disregard the last paragraph! Things have changes, and this might
not be any problem anymore! I've just started testing D2, and it seems
like a really
Then again... Many people have been spoiled by Eclipse, Visual Studio
and their kind, so it's difficult to switch to "notepad" mode.
I myself cant say how much I love C#, VS and CodeRush... I know..
Blasphemy :)
And for the record.. I implemented a "larger" (30k incl.
comment/whitespace/scope) program in D1, but it went to hell! I had
really high hopes, but in the business world, there are no DB drivers,
there are no disconnected DataSet's, poor wsdl support etc. etc. etc.
As a side note: dsource is a great idea, but it has detoriated
(rusted... I don't know how to spell it :) ) so it's pretty useless as a
lookup resource for libraries.
Probably 50-70% of the projects is abandoned (or is written for an
ancient dmd version).
Two new columns and the site would have been ten times as useful;
"last time updated" and "d version(s)".
And as another side note...: If you had a contribute button on you're
site and that was distributed among those involved in D and phobos...
Would it help the progress? As I see now, there are large bugfix
releases every month and large changes to phobos too, so I wont complain..
So... How can the little man help?
