While lying in the bed with fever yesterday (so please excuse any careless mistakes), I was pondering a bit about the current discussions regarding Phobos additions, package management, etc. It occurred to me that there is a central unanswered question, which I think deserves to be broadly discussed right now.

But first, let me start out by describing how I see current situation regarding D2. Leaving aside a few minor things like @property enforcement or the recent suggestions about a new alias syntax, the language is fairly stable and critical bugs in DMD 2 are not frequent enough to make it completely unusable for day-to-day development anymore. Of course, there is still a large way to go for the D toolchain (with the ideal result being a rock-solid self-hosting compiler front-end, usable as a library as well), but in a sense, we are more or less at the end of a certain stage of D2 development.

I think most of you would agree with me if I say that the main goal for D2 right now should be to build a vibrant library ecosystem around the language, to foster adoption in real-world applications. There has been a number of related discussions recently, but as mentioned above, I think there is a central question:

Have we reached the critical mass yet where it makes sense to split the effort in a number of smaller library projects, or are we off better with concentrating on a central, comprehensive standard library (Phobos), considering the current community size?

I do not really have an answer to this question, but here are a few thoughts on the topic, which might also help to make clearer what I mean:

I think that adopting a Boost-like review process for Phobos has certainly been a clever and valuable move, for more than one reason. First, together with the move to Git, it has helped to reinforce the point that D2 and Phobos are open to contributions from everyone, given that they meet certain quality standards. Second, it certainly boosts code quality of further standard library additions, which had been a problem for some parts in the past (at least from my point of view, no offense intended). Third, and this overlaps with another point below, I think that the quality improvements will also help to reduce bit rot, which has traditionally been a problem with D libraries.

But however good a fit this model is for the standard library, I think it is no silver bullet either. There are small, one-off style projects, arising from a central need, where the amount of time needed to get the code through the whole review process is prohibitive – even if the code quality was high enough –, but the result is still usable for the wide public. Common examples for this would be low-level wrappers for C libraries, although they don't really qualify for inclusion into Phobos for other reasons (often, another wrapper layer is needed to be usable with common D idioms). Also, people new to the language might be scared away by the mere thought of contributing to a standard library. How to make sure that these libraries are not forgotten? Maybe a central package system with SCM (Git, …) integration can help here?

And, which brings me to the next point, how to fight the unfavorable outcome of having a huge inscrutable pile of half-finished bit-rotten code, a problem that DSource is currently experiencing? A central, well-maintained standard library effort with a wider scope could certainly help to reduce this problem, at least from the (D) user side, but on the other hand, larger amounts of code de facto becoming unmaintained would be a problem for it as well.

Should we build something like a staging area, an incubator for community contributions not taken yet through formal review, but of interest for a wider audience? What about the etc.* package – would it be an option to expand it into such an incubation area? If not, what should it evolve into – a collection of C-level library bindings (see the recent discussion on SQLite bindings started by David Simcha)? Who will take care of the maintenance duties?

Looking forward to a stimulating discussion,
David

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