Why not split this NG in two? d-pragmatism - Concrete stuff, TDPL + absolutely necessary adjustments which are probably discussed first in the other ng... d-theory - A place to discuss the future of D, stuff with a longer timeline.
Or maybe we should accept this NG for being a mix of both and that at least d-announce is d-pragmatism condensed, kind of. On Thu, Mar 31, 2011 at 10:26 AM, so <s...@so.so> wrote: > On Thu, 31 Mar 2011 05:09:44 +0300, jasonw <u...@webmails.org> wrote: > >> You hit the nail on the head here. I see two real problems with his >> messages: >> >> 1) he's "force fitting" every possible language feature he learns into D. >> Clearly some features are useful, others are not, and this is why many of >> bearophile's ideas fail and generate endless debates and unnecessary noise. >> He can't see that the features just don't fit in. > > This is not true, there are ideas here from many others as well that > generate endless debates. > The reason is as far as i can see not always the ideas "just don't fit in". > The reasons IMO are the chain of command and the resources. > Take the last long discussion on named arguments, i don't think anyone was > against it. > One another thing is that a few of us evasive to some questions. > >> If you lack the vision of good language design as a whole, you shouldn't >> start suggesting new features like this. I'd appreciate it more if we won't >> introduce "new" concepts in this way. > > This is oxymoron, by that logic there is not a single soul on earth with > that vision. > You just dismissed whole academia, isn't this the way it operates? > Don't you think this is harmful? Why does D2 exist? D1 wasn't enough? > >> 2) Programming language design requires rigorous definition of terms and >> other things. The D community doesn't encourage using precise, well-defined, >> unique terms. This leads to some subtleties and other problems in the >> discussions. Again I think the best place for general PL discussion is >> somewhere else, preferable in the academia. I'm sorry to say this, but I >> likely need to study how to put him in the kill file. The whole bearophile >> phenomenon takes place on an isolated island somewhere in the dark corners >> of D's history. The bug reports and benchmarks are priceless, but these >> "lectures" about other language often aren't. > > I agree he should slow down proposing, at the same time people better stop > ad hominem attacks. > If it is way to go, we all need to shut up. >
