On 1/7/2012 4:40 AM, Manu wrote:
On 7 January 2012 08:40, Nick Sabalausky <a@a.a> wrote:
If by 'better' languages, you mean D, then I completely disagree. D
*NEEDS* an IDE, just like all the rest... and in my opinion, even more
so... here are some reasons I find it so annoying there isn't a quality
VS integration for D (yet):
My job is primarily C++ Windows programming and I use Visual Studio. I
think I agree with everything you said. In my case, I think of
development tools as consisting of three components: (1) the language
(2) the library/libraries including GUI, and (3) development
environment, which includes debugger, IDE, etc. So even if the language
is wonderful by itself, it's still not everything, and the total package
may be less attractive than some other. I casually follow D progress
because, besides just looking like a fun language to use, it seems to
have all the elements that make a good language. But as you say, some
things outside the language aren't quite there.
I use C# for small-to-medium, internal tools that have a GUI. It's great
for that because of the IDE integration and also the .NET framework. The
integration/intellisense is better for C# than C++. The biggest negative
in the language is the lack of deterministic destruction, and that's one
reason I'd favor D. (Also, having to get the .NET framework installed on
users' systems is not so great, but not an issue just for internal
tools. ) But the pros of IDE integration and .NET framework are greater
to me than D language advantage. Visual D is helpful....but then there's
the GUI library....
Not to get too far off topic, I'm the only one where I work who will use
C#. I think some people simply hate Microsoft the company so much that
they would not even fire up C# and try it once. They won't be caught
liking it. And that's seems to be the case where I work as far as I can
tell. Maybe D would be more well received than C# by such people if it
integrated better with VS, I don't know. But there is always the issue
with less widely used languages: if I write our company's main product
in D, and if we then need to hire more people, I need to tell my boss we
need to hire people that know D (or are at least willing and able pick
it up) which are not as common. If anything at all goes wrong with D
that wouldn't have gone wrong had we used C++, it's on me. No one ever
got fired for buying IBM, lol. Sorry, I know we need to battle past that
but I can't help mentioning it.
