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I usually don't get involved in this type of debate
but this is my 2 cents worth,
Danny, my guess is that 90% of all traffic passed
in today's world over ham radio is worthless. There are times and places where
it is needed, where there is no other means of communications.
I am not against "any" mode of operation on the
bands, but there should be a place for each one. Another thing, the ARRL needs
to support what the ham community wants and not what they want. After all they
are suppose to be "our" voice as far as getting things done with the
FCC.
As far as the bands/modes are concerned, this needs
to be worldwide so that everyone is on the same page.
Joe,
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 9:59
AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink
is to be Congratulated!
Howard, I guess my question here is : Who
is sending these messages, who is getting them, and what are the actual
messages (subjects)? I havenet gotten a "official" ham radio message in
years, nor talked to anyone else that gets them.
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Friday, April 08, 2005 2:55
AM
Subject: Re: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink
is to be Congratulated!
As far as traffic is concerned... Winlink now
carries upwards of 75% of all message traffic...
and it is incredibly efficient in doing so...
just imagine if we had to use the other less
efficient mechanisms to pass that traffic,
there would be no room on the bands for
anything else...
So I stick by my statement that Winlink is to
be Congratulated for their efficient use of the spectrum
__________________________________________________________
Howard
S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA
"No Good
Deed Goes Unpunished"
Formerly "Awfully Extremely Six Sado
Masochist"
"Krazy Yankee Six Loves America"
Website: www.ky6la.com
----- Original Message -----
Sent: Thursday, April 07, 2005 9:38
PM
Subject: [digitalradio] Re: Winlink
is to be Congratulated!
Those two numbers are apples and oranges Howard, as
I'm sure you
know. To assess efficiency, one must compare Winlink's
spectrum
consumption with the percentage of *all* amateur
communication
conveyed by Winlink. Does Winlink handle 3.8% of all
amateur
communication around the world? Highly
unlikely.
73,
Dave,
AA6YQ
--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, "Dr. Howard S. White"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Winlink now carries approaching
75% of all Ham message traffic and
yet only uses 3.8% of the
spectrum. The Winlink Development Team is
to be congratulated
for inventing such a popular and efficient user
of the
Spectrum.
>
> With exciting new developments such as SCAMP
which uses low cost
sound cards instead of expensive TNC's and
the Channel Busy
Detector to prevent interference to other users, the
WDT has shown
that they can not only be among the creative leaders of
Ham Radio
but are also sensitive to the concerns of others
>
>
__________________________________________________________
> Howard
S. White Ph.D. P. Eng., VE3GFW/K6 ex-AE6SM KY6LA
> "No
Good Deed Goes Unpunished"
> Formerly "Awfully Extremely Six Sado
Masochist"
> "Krazy Yankee Six Loves America"
> Website:
www.ky6la.com
> Member of ARES Management Team for Digital
Networks
>
>
>
> ----- Original
Message -----
> From: Skip Teller
>
To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Thursday,
April 07, 2005 9:08 AM
> Subject: [digitalradio] Re:
Winlink take over?
>
>
> Steve,
>
> Abraham Lincoln wrote, "You may fool all the people
some of the
time, you can even fool
> some of the
people all of the time, but you cannot fool all of
the people all the
time.
>
> K4CJX wrote:
>
> "Winlink has not been invaded by any virus. The
administrators
> periodically and routinely refresh the
auto-acceptance list in
order
> to keep attempts
down. Please do not take things out of context
in
>
order to make your points. If you do not know, just ask. There
is
> nothing to hide. "
>
>
Really? Quoting from the March 5 bulletin posted by you on
Winlink:
>
> "IMPORTANT ALL-USER UPDATE,
March 5, 2005.
>
> The Central Mail Server (CMBO)
is being attacked by new virus's
from mail
> address
books that contain Winlink.org addresses. These
Winlink.org
> addresses are attempting to put
virus's back into the system. In
addition,
> there
are approved Internet email addresses, which are also
contained
in
> address books of infected computers that are making
an attempt
to enter
> the Winlink system. We are
catching an average of 1,500 of these
attempts
>
daily. NO FUN!
>
> Effective Tuesday, March 8, at
00:00 UTC, in order to protect,
you, the
> user, as
well as your email recipients, we are going to delete
ALL
the
> current entries in the Acceptance list, and start
a new list.
To make
> sure your favorite email
recipients are contained in the
approved
acceptance
> list, be certain to send them an email
AFTER 00:00 UTC on March
8 or thereafter.
> You may
use multiple "TO" and "CC" addresses. It is a good way
to
also
> insure that you are sending to a live and proper
address."
>
>
> Steve, which Winlink lie
do you want us to believe?
>
> Quoting from the
ARLL letter,
http://www.arrl.org/arrlletter/04/1029/,
included in the
> Report and Order on Access BPL,
ET
> Docket 04-37, the Commissioners wrote:
>
> "We similarly do not find that Amateur Radio
frequencies warrant
the
> special protection
afforded frequencies reserved for
international
>
aeronautical and maritime safety operations," the Commission
said.
"While
> we recognize that amateurs may on occasion
assist in providing
emergency
> communications," the
FCC added. It described typical amateur
operations
as
> "routine communications and hobby
activities."
>
> The FCC view, and that of
everyone EXCEPT Winink, is that
emergency communications are
an
> "occasional assist in providing emergency
communications", and
nobody else wants the
>
majority of the frequencies dominated by the likes of Winlink
under
the guise of it being
> necessary for our health and
welfare...
>
> 3.8% of HF ham radio spectrum is
already available for Winlink
domination by their
>
less-than-1% of US hams, if they insist on doing so, and is more
than
enough space to
> devote to emergency communications.
Leave the other 96% of the
HF spectrum for other
PSK31,
> RTTY contesting, award-chasing, CW, MFSK16, and
phone free from
constant disruption by
> unattended
Winlink PMBO stations or Winlink client stations that
are under the
automatic
> control of Airmail.
>
> 73, Skip KH6TY
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