The ARRL's proposal, if adopted, will allow the broad deployment of semi-automatic operation without any requirement that semi-automatic stations implement "listen before transmit". This is clearly a fatal flaw. We must ensure that the FCC understands this flaw, and rejects the ARRL proposal.
I acknowledge your points regarding the efficient use of spectrum, but it would be far more difficult to build an open-and-shut case against the ARRL proposal on these grounds. Thus I will continue to focus my energy on highlighting the obvious and widely-acknowledged problem. Besides preventing the enactment of a very bad plan, defeating the ARRL proposal will have another benefit: it will make clear to ARRL leadership that successful development of a new allocation scheme requires broad engagement with American amateurs, a previously unthinkable process now made feasible by the internet and modern collaboration tools. That will be the time to take up the difficult issue of spectrum officiency. 73, Dave, AA6YQ --- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Tim Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Tuesday 24 January 2006 21:46, Dave Bernstein wrote: > > I disagree, Tim. In your scenario, Busy Channel Detection works > > perfectly: it prevents the automatic station in St. Louis from > > QRM'ing the west coast QSOs. > > > > Busy Channel Detection is not a solution to the "oversubscription" > > problem, which will occur whether or not Busy Channel Detection is > > in place. > > > > 73, > > > > Dave, AA6YQ > > > > Busy detection will work to keep the automatic station from becoming a > nuisance by actually blocking other QSO's due to interference. > > It doesn't add anything to the system for traffic load carrying capacity. In > fact, it can make things much, much worse. This contributes negatively to the > spectrum efficiency metric of "time denied to other users" by greatly > extending the amount of time that specific piece of spectrum is tied up > trying to carry the traffic load. > > It isn't an oversubscription problem, it is a system design problem. > > If the system is loaded with calls that are staggered, for instance, the busy > detection scheme can actually prevent the system from answering the first > caller because it will hear the second one on the frequency. If a third > station then begins calling, or a fourth ad infinitum, you can block the > channel up to where nothing gets accomplished until the calling stations all > go away because of propagation or the control operators decide to hang it up. > > If you prevent this from happening by killing the busy detection once a > session is started then you open the system back up to being a bad neighbor > because a session could be started while the hub couldn't hear the second > side of an ongoing QSO on the same frequency. > > If the system were to be designed based on well-known traffic design rules, > ways to either block calls or queue calls would be implemented. This provides > a way to smooth the offered load and greatly enhance the traffic capacity of > the channel. > > In fact, if you do a simple Erlang C analysis on the Winlink system using a > 30minute queue time, five 500hz channels on HF would have handled all the > Winlink traffic for the month of April, 2005. That's one 500hz channel each > on 80m, 40m, and 30m plus two 500hz channels on 20m. > > *THAT'S* what the FCC would say is a novel technical and operational approach > to mitigating interference on the amateur bands as well as maximizing > spectrum efficiency! > > Any new modes being developed for use with such traffic carrying systems had > better be looking into traffic control mechanisms as well as channel busy > detection. Otherwise you might just find the problems caused by these systems > become worse instead of better. > > tim ab0wr > Need a Digital mode QSO? Connect to Telnet://cluster.dynalias.org Other areas of interest: The MixW Reflector : http://groups.yahoo.com/group/themixwgroup/ DigiPol: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/Digipol (band plan policy discussion) Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/digitalradio/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/