The ARRL's proposal, if adopted, will allow the broad deployment of 
semi-automatic operation without any requirement that semi-automatic 
stations implement "listen before transmit". This is clearly a fatal 
flaw. We must ensure that the FCC understands this flaw, and rejects 
the ARRL proposal.

I acknowledge your points regarding the efficient use of spectrum, 
but it would be far more difficult to build an open-and-shut case 
against the ARRL proposal on these grounds. Thus I will continue to 
focus my energy on highlighting the obvious and widely-acknowledged 
problem. 

Besides preventing the enactment of a very bad plan, defeating the 
ARRL proposal will have another benefit: it will make clear to ARRL 
leadership that successful development of a new allocation scheme 
requires broad engagement with American amateurs, a previously 
unthinkable process now made feasible by the internet and modern 
collaboration tools. That will be the time to take up the difficult 
issue of spectrum officiency.

   73,

      Dave, AA6YQ

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, Tim Gorman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> On Tuesday 24 January 2006 21:46, Dave Bernstein wrote:
> > I disagree, Tim. In your scenario, Busy Channel Detection works
> > perfectly: it prevents the automatic station in St. Louis from
> > QRM'ing the west coast QSOs.
> >
> > Busy Channel Detection is not a solution to 
the "oversubscription"
> > problem, which will occur whether or not Busy Channel Detection 
is
> > in place.
> >
> >     73,
> >
> >       Dave, AA6YQ
> >
> 
> Busy detection will work to keep the automatic station from 
becoming a 
> nuisance by actually blocking other QSO's due to interference. 
> 
> It doesn't add anything to the system for traffic load carrying 
capacity. In 
> fact, it can make things much, much worse. This contributes 
negatively to the 
> spectrum efficiency metric of "time denied to other users" by 
greatly 
> extending the amount of time that specific piece of spectrum is 
tied up 
> trying to carry the traffic load.
> 
> It isn't an oversubscription problem, it is a system design 
problem. 
> 
> If the system is loaded with calls that are staggered, for 
instance, the busy 
> detection scheme can actually prevent the system from answering 
the first 
> caller because it will hear the second one on the frequency. If a 
third 
> station then begins calling, or a fourth ad infinitum, you can 
block the 
> channel up to where nothing gets accomplished until the calling 
stations all 
> go away because of propagation or the control operators decide to 
hang it up.
> 
> If you prevent this from happening by killing the busy detection 
once a 
> session is started then you open the system back up to being a bad 
neighbor 
> because a session could be started while the hub couldn't hear the 
second 
> side of an ongoing QSO on the same frequency. 
> 
> If the system were to be designed based on well-known traffic 
design rules, 
> ways to either block calls or queue calls would be implemented. 
This provides 
> a way to smooth the offered load and greatly enhance the traffic 
capacity of 
> the channel.
> 
> In fact, if you do a simple Erlang C analysis on the Winlink 
system using a 
> 30minute queue time, five 500hz channels on HF would have handled 
all the 
> Winlink traffic for the month of April, 2005. That's one 500hz 
channel each 
> on 80m, 40m, and 30m plus two 500hz channels on 20m. 
> 
> *THAT'S* what the FCC would say is a novel technical and 
operational approach 
> to mitigating interference on the amateur bands as well as 
maximizing 
> spectrum efficiency!
> 
> Any new modes being developed for use with such traffic carrying 
systems had 
> better be looking into traffic control mechanisms as well as 
channel busy 
> detection. Otherwise you might just find the problems caused by 
these systems 
> become worse instead of better.
> 
> tim ab0wr
>






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