Rick and all,

Yes...that's probably correct.  I guess what I am really asking (as you are?) 
what modulation technique works best on HF.  This may be a balance between the 
maximum number of bits you can get off of one carrier (tone) vs. how robust it 
is.  

There will surely be trade offs.  But we need to come to some consensus 
concerning how robust we want a data mode to be and what user thought we want.

Also, we probably need to divide data modes between keyboard-to-keyboard (chat) 
modes, Broadcast modes and messaging modes.  I suspect that each classification 
will have a different optimum mode and the robustness and throughput desires 
will be different.

Here's my "view"...desired specifications:
                                        
Mode            Robustness *    User Throughput
Chat            -10 dB SNR              60-200 WPM ASCII 
Data            -10 dB SNR              800-~ WPM ASCII plus binary equivalent
Messaging       -5 dB SNR               800-3000 WPM plus binary equivalent

* on a Poor CCIR Channel

73,

Walt/K5YFW

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Walt and group,

My understanding is that the 64QAM mode of the DRM programs being used 
by SSTV operators does not work well on HF frequencies unless you have 
near perfect conditions.

What are the opinions on the how well  multipath and difficult 
conditions are handled by these different modulation techniques? Also 
comparing with QAM and OFDM.

73,

Rick, KV9U




DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA wrote:

>Why not run 64 tones with FSK at 50 baud or 64 tones with OQPSK at 50 baud?
>
>Shucks, for that matter how about 128 tones using QAM64 at 50 baud?
>
>Walt/K5YFW
>
>  
>



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