I am very flexable. I just dont think that everyday use of multi kc signals, especially those sitting there giving out a call now and then, just to keep the channel open, is any way for an amateur station to operate. There will, if these things are to be used - and approved, have to be certain testing sites, days, times available. But dont sit on one channel 24 hours a day,, just in case.
Danny Douglas N7DC ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all DX 2-6 years each. moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "DuBose Walt Civ AETC CONS/LGCA" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <digitalradio@yahoogroups.com> Sent: Monday, October 23, 2006 1:27 PM Subject: RE: [digitalradio] 3kHz or 500Hz Re: Updates on effect of FCC R&O > I don't see much use for a very high throughput, very robust data mode that requires 6-10 KHz of bandwidth as being used by me except when I am working disaster relief and for perhaps traiining nets. If I have that capability, good amateur radio practices would cause me to use only the mode and bandwidth I need for my communications. If I am just chatting, I am going to use a narrow mode designed for chatting. If I send a picture of my hamshack I want to sent it fast and get back to a narrow chat mode. > > But when there is a disaster and I am working disaster relief communications, I would like to be able to have that very high throughput and very robust mode available and have practiced using it before hand. > > I don't try to have a QSO with a buddies during a contest weekend because those who are contesting want to use the band...I can wait until the next day/weekend. If I really need to talk to them, I can call them on the phone. If there is an emergency/disaster, I would expect that contestors would allow the required nets space. > > Let's begin thinking about what we can do and what we should do in amateur radio...not just thinking one way...be flexable. > > Walt/K5YFW > > -----Original Message----- > From: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Danny Douglas > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:35 PM > To: digitalradio@yahoogroups.com > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] 3kHz or 500Hz Re: Updates on effect of FCC > R&O > > > "You guys" was directed at all the people yelling that they want umpteen kc > of bandwidth to pass traffic that 99 percent of us dont touch, will never > touch, and dont care about. If it comes down to us keeping our freqs/bands, > only if we make them of no value to the majority of us, the majority of the > time, then take them all, and be done with it. > > Someone else just sent another message: "did they OUTLAW CW or just > EXTEND phone? CW IS STILL LEAGAL just it has to shair > some of the band. " > Which is true, it is still legal. You can use it all day, if you want to > set in the middle of some rasping "junk" that will give you a headache, in a > few minutes time. You can also try to use it in the middle of some net with > 20 or 30 people using a KC, covering the DX you are trying to talk to. etc > etc ad nasuem. I have lived and worked in parts of the world that such > activities made the dx portion of bands completely unuseable. And dont say > that there are filters to take care of that! Filter are designed to pass a > small portion of the spectrum, but that doesnt mean those intefering signals > are not setting right in the pass band. If the FCC follows thru with > their announcement on 80 meters, SSB and other 3khz signals are going to > ruin a whole lot more spectrum for the CW and narrow band digital ops, not > only here but in other countries that are being intefered with, in spectrum > they now use for PSK and rtty, not to mention CW. > > It is quite clear that more and more operators are being licensed that dont > know CW, dont want to Know CW, and would just as soon see it disappear, so > they can have THEIR SSB or other mode communications. Sadly the FCC is not > only dumbing down the tests, but many of the operators who are joining are > ignorant of "what was" and dont really care. It is, after all, the ME > GENERATION. I for one, am not going silently into the dusk. > > > > > > > > Danny Douglas N7DC > ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA > SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all > DX 2-6 years each. > moderator [EMAIL PROTECTED] > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "John Becker" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <digitalradio@yahoogroups.com> > Sent: Sunday, October 22, 2006 7:52 PM > Subject: Re: [digitalradio] 3kHz or 500Hz Re: Updates on effect of FCC R&O > > > > No Danny - maybe I did not make myself clear on this . > > Mark said > > > > " I do understand trading bandwidth for accuracy > > and that can be added to the equation too, but that really > > only applies to forwarding messages, not keyboard to > > keyboard QSOs. " > > > > This is not true. It *applies* to all... > > > > All my digital QSO's are keyboard to keyboard. > > > > And what do you mean by "you guys" ? > > > > At 06:31 PM 10/22/2006, you wrote: > > >I'm afraid that keyboard to keyboard, mike to mike and keys have > EVERYTHING > > >TO DO WITH IT. Ham radio is here for amateur use, not professional. I > am > > >here to enjoy QSOs with friends and acquaintances, and to-be friends > around > > >the world. Not to send tons of official traffic. Each of us needs to be > > >capable to lend a hand when their is an emergency. We do NOT need to > have > > >professional stations set up which can handle huge throughput, which is > what > > >I am hear here. If you want a job as a professional communicator, feel > free > > >to go out and find one. I did that for 30 years ( as well as enjoying > > >hamming on the side), and am here in case needed. I am not here just to > be > > >a back-up in case something else fails, at the expense of this hobby. I > > >also do not want others interfering with my hobby use of these band, > using > > >huge signals on wide bands and destroying my everyday use of the small > > >assignments we have. > > > > > >If you guys really think you need all this wideband, multi channel stuff, > > >ask the FCC for separate bands, but lets not call it amateur radio. We > > >amateurs do not need 6-10 kc of bandwidth running multi kilo speed to > simply > > >say "Hey Jack - good to hear you again - ur 59 here in Virginia today, so > > >how has it been with you and your wife?" I have every faith in our > digital > > >software people that they can make ever increasing gains in programs to > > >allow us to enjoy this hobby, and keep the bandwidth and the thru put > down > > >to sensible levels. > > > > > >Danny Douglas N7DC > > >ex WN5QMX ET2US WA5UKR ET3USA > > >SV0WPP VS6DD N7DC/YV5 G5CTB all > > >DX 2-6 years each. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Need a Digital mode QSO? 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