Bonnie's detailed explanation looked reasonable to me.

I often use the NCDXF propagation beacons and have rarely heard them 
QRM'd by digital signals.

   73,

      Dave, AA6YQ

--- In digitalradio@yahoogroups.com, John Bradley <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> 
wrote:
>
> In other words Tony, despite decades of tradition of having the CW 
beacons on 14100, the ALE users don't give a rat's butt for anyone 
except a small number
> of ALE users.
> 
> and the only reason they are doing this is because they can.
> 
> John
> VE5MU
> 
> 
> 
> 
>   Subject: [digitalradio] 14100.5 kHz USB - ALE Channel Bandwidth, 
IARU Beacon Guardband
> 
> 
>   > Tony KT2Q wrote
>   >
>   > Bonnie,
>   > 
>   > Not sure if it's been said before, but the 
>   > 14100.5khz ALE data channel seems awfully close 
>   > the NCDXF beacon frequency on 14100.0.
>   > 
> 
>   Hi Tony,
> 
>   Yes, it is has been covered before in HFLINK group, and via direct
>   communication with IARU Region frequency coordination. I will 
gladly
>   cover it again for the benefit of new ALE operators and the
>   digitalradio group. This ALE channel has been in use for a long 
time
>   and there have been no complaints or problems.
> 
>   The 14100.5 kHz USB ALE channel has been frequency coordinated 
with
>   the IARU Regions, including IARU Region 1, which has the widest 
beacon
>   guardband (+/-1 kHz) for the IARU-NCDXF beacon at 14100.0 kHz CW. 
IARU
>   Region 2 and IARU Region 3 both have lesser (+/-500Hz) guardbands 
for
>   the IARU-NCDXF beacon CW channel. The ALE channel conforms to the 
more
>   strict IARU Region 1 requirements. 
> 
>   All amateur radio ALE channels are based upon accurate calibration
>   within +/-20Hz and standard fixed audio frequencies. The ALE 
system
>   inherently fails to operate if these rigid standards are not 
followed.
>   All ALE operators are admonished to operate with the highest 
technical
>   standards. 
> 
>   The lowest tone of the 8FSK ALE signal is exactly 750Hz and the
>   highest tone is exactly 2500Hz. For the 14100.5 kHz USB channel, 
it
>   translates to RF frequencies:
>   1. Lowest tone = 14101.25 kHz
>   2. Highest tone = 14103.00 kHz
> 
>   The 1750Hz "bandwidth" for the 8FSK signal has a spectrum that is
>   widened slightly (+/-200Hz) by the transition of the shifting of 
the 8
>   FSK tones at the 125 baud (symbol) rate. The -23dBc bandwidth of 
the
>   RF spectrum of the 8FSK ALE signal is 2150Hz and the low end is
>   equivalent to an audio frequency of 550Hz. 
> 
>   14100.5 kHz + 550Hz = 14101.05 kHz
> 
>   Beacon guardband clearance bandwidth:
> 
>   Top edge of IARU Region 1 beacon guardband = 14101.00 kHz
> 
>   Bottom edge of 14100.5 kHz USB ALE Channel = 14101.05 kHz 
> 
>   Channel Edge to Beacon Guardband Edge Clearance = 50Hz.
> 
>   Maximum allowed calibration frequency error = 20 Hz.
> 
>   Total clearance including calibration error = 30 Hz.
> 
>   The ALE channel meets the strictest IARU Region 1 recommended
>   guardband by 30 Hz and meets the less strict IARU Region 2 and 
IARU
>   Region 3 by 530 Hz.
> 
>   73---Bonnie KQ6XA
> 
>   .
> 
> 
> 
>    
> 
> 
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