Well, that's what we've been talking about in the thread on setting up a
beta instance on labs.

On 26 January 2016 at 17:54, Kevin Smith <[email protected]> wrote:

> At some point, we might want to try to figure out how to implement some
> kind of "public alpha testing" platform, where interested users could
> preview upcoming features, and provide feedback before they go to a wider
> audience. It would need to be lighter weight, and earlier in the process,
> than the existing "beta features" system.
>
> I'm not sure what that would look like, and we would have to figure out a
> cost-effective way to do it, but it seems potentially valuable.
>
>
> Kevin Smith
> Agile Coach, Wikimedia Foundation
>
>
> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 2:48 PM, Luigi Assom <[email protected]>
> wrote:
>
>> Hi Oliver, Deborah,
>>
>> I see your point, thank you.
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:31 PM, Deborah Tankersley <
>> [email protected]> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi Luigi,
>>>
>>> The A/B tests that we run are to specifically get a sampling of our
>>> audience that uses the portal page <http://www.wikipedia.org> and then
>>> log what their actions are on that page, in relation to what we happen to
>>> be testing. We don't want folks going to the test on purpose and skewing
>>> the random sampling.
>>>
>>> Hope that helps...!
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Deb
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Deb Tankersley
>>> Product Manager, Discovery
>>> Wikimedia Foundation
>>>
>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 10:35 AM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> Gotcha! Well, that test is over, I'm afraid :). I know we do have
>>>> methods for sort of forcing a session into a test population (for browsing
>>>> purposes) but I'm not sure how I feel about the idea of making that
>>>> available for _non_testing purposes. It kind of defeats the point of an A/B
>>>> test if the population is self-selected and features people aware of the
>>>> context of the test.
>>>>
>>>> On 26 January 2016 at 12:34, Luigi Assom <[email protected]>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi!
>>>>>
>>>>> @ Oliver,
>>>>> about A/B test I refer to the email of 13 Jan 2016
>>>>> by Deborah Tankersley
>>>>> [discovery] New A/B testing on Wikipedia Portal page
>>>>> however, yes I would like tobe included in A/B tests in general, not a
>>>>> particular one.
>>>>> I m mostrly interested in full text search, knowledge discovery and
>>>>> discovery of topics' context.
>>>>>
>>>>> @Luca Nemo
>>>>>
>>>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Query#Generators
>>>>> https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/API:Search
>>>>>
>>>>> Not much clear to me yet, sorry.
>>>>>
>>>>> I will rephrase my question:
>>>>> I would like to do a full-text search (FTS) query, have the pageids
>>>>> and decorators.
>>>>>
>>>>> I also would like to have results hit (I see them in API:Search,
>>>>> list=search); I would like to access the page_Ids of articles (see them in
>>>>> generators).
>>>>>
>>>>> I would like to understand if the backend between two is different,
>>>>> since I've read list=search use an ElasticSearch instance, and it seems to
>>>>> me it is faster and better FTS (not tried extensively, through).
>>>>> Also, list=search offers a snippet and may be less expensive for wiki
>>>>> server instead of quering an exerpt - is it the case?
>>>>>
>>>>> I pass:
>>>>> params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' : 0,
>>>>> 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' : 'pageimages|extracts',
>>>>> 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '', 'exsentences' : 3,
>>>>> 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
>>>>>
>>>>> would like to do the same with list=search.
>>>>>
>>>>> Could you please show an example of FTS with list=search ?
>>>>>
>>>>> Not clear to me how coudl I pass a list to a generator, if it is the
>>>>> case.
>>>>>
>>>>> Thank you.
>>>>>
>>>>> On Tue, Jan 26, 2016 at 5:41 PM, Oliver Keyes <[email protected]>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Which A/B test are you referring to? We have tried quite a few :). Or
>>>>>> do you just generally want to be included in the A/B tests?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> On 26 January 2016 at 03:44, Luigi Assom <[email protected]>
>>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> > Hello,
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I have few question for discovery portal and API:
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > - possible to be included in the 0.05% who tried the A/B test?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > - do you have or plan to have a feature for discovery *between*
>>>>>> topics? E.g.
>>>>>> > suggestions connecting two topics.
>>>>>> > I ve been working on this.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > - Which is the difference in API:Search between:
>>>>>> >  list=search and generator=search ?
>>>>>> > The first seems to be faster to me.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > - I need to fetch the pageIDs of the results, and have them already
>>>>>> > redirected and decorated with images and snipped/excerpt.
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > With generator=search I could do it, I can't with list=search
>>>>>> > Could you help in grasping query parameters?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > #generator=search
>>>>>> > params = {'action':'query', 'generator':'search', 'gsrnamespace' :
>>>>>> 0,
>>>>>> > 'gsrsearch' : keywords, 'gsrlimit' : 20 , 'prop' :
>>>>>> 'pageimages|extracts',
>>>>>> > 'pilimit' : 'max', 'exintro' : '', 'explaintext' : '',
>>>>>> 'exsentences' : 3,
>>>>>> > 'exlimit' : 'max', 'redirects' : '' }
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > #list=search
>>>>>> > params = {'action':'query', 'list':'search', 'srsearch' : keywords,
>>>>>> > 'srlimit' : 20 , 'srprop' : 'size', 'indexpageids' : 1 } ??
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > I m trying with sand box with no success, only search results are
>>>>>> hit, no
>>>>>> > matter of
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:ApiSandbox#action=query&list=search&format=json&srsearch=Albert%20Einstein&srnamespace=0&srinfo=totalhits%7Csuggestion%7Crewrittenquery&srprop=redirecttitle%7Credirectsnippet&indexpageids=&generator=images
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> > - I also found 0&formatversion=2' is another param used in
>>>>>> search=list
>>>>>> > Has it a special meaning?
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
>>>>>> >
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