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From: Bill Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: George Nychis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:58:08 PM
Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] two questions about the general communication 
system

I meant: i was just simulating a simple communication system using GnuRadio, 
and i just have the transmitted bits connected with a noise source 
(gr.noise_source_c(gr.GR_GAUSSIAN, noise_voltage)). Now the only thing left is 
the bit energy. :) Thank you!!!

Bill

----- Original Message ----
From: George Nychis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: Bill Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Cc: discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org
Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 11:50:41 PM
Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] two questions about the general communication 
system

So... if the noise channel is on your laptop, you must have generated 
this channel?  Is it a simulated channel?  Are you specifying the noise 
power?

You're not giving us much information.

- George


Bill Stevenson wrote:
> Thank you! What i am trying to do is very simple: I don't use USRP, i 
> just used a vector as a bit source and have it modulated and transmitted 
> through a noise channel (on my laptop ^.^ ). Now i can set the value of 
> noise's amplitude, but there seems to be no way to determine the bit 
> energy! How to get it?  Thank you!!!
> 
> Bill
> 
> ----- Original Message ----
> From: Daniel Halperin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> To: Brian Padalino <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> Cc: Bill Stevenson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>; discuss-gnuradio@gnu.org
> Sent: Sunday, April 13, 2008 8:18:14 PM
> Subject: Re: [Discuss-gnuradio] two questions about the general 
> communication system
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> On Apr 13, 2008, at 1:28 PM, Brian Padalino wrote:
>  > On Sun, Apr 13, 2008 at 2:38 PM, Bill Stevenson
>  > <[EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>> wrote:
>  >>
>  >> Thank you George!
>  >>
>  >> I am just wondering when we calculate BER, how can we determine the 
>  >> value of
>  >> bit energy? Thank u!
>  >
> 
> If you look through the relevant emails on the list, it seems no one 
> really understands the translation between the short values from the 
> USRP and absolute energy --- ADC and processing behavior complicate 
> the issue. However, it is much easier to estimate the ratio of Signal 
> to Noise --- this is a relative quantity. Just figure out receiver 
> power in the absence of a signal and in the presence of one...
> 
> - -Dan
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