Is there a repository online where I can take a look? I'm interested in this, I'm more of a C developer than obj-c unfortunately.
On 6 December 2015 at 00:01, Gregory Casamento <greg.casame...@gmail.com <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','greg.casame...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > I have started this as it seems I'm the only one interested in seeing it > happen this way. I worked on this kind of thing when I worked on Winamp for > AOL so I know it's possible and relatively easy to do. > On Sat, Dec 5, 2015 at 17:53 James Carthew <jcart...@gmail.com > <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','jcart...@gmail.com');>> wrote: > >> A lot of great arguments in here, I agree that making it easier to port >> Macintosh games to Linux using GNUstep is a worthy goal. I also agree that >> the creators of Simple Webkit/Vespucci may want to use it as a simple HTML >> viewer similar to the Microsoft Help Viewer and may not want to extend the >> program into a full browser. That's OK. >> >> Now as a desktop user who would like to run GUNstep full time, I have to >> ask, has anyone actually started making chromium embedded embed into a >> gnustep window? I used Mantella in the past and I was happy with it. >> Mantella was this exact idea with firefox. Unfortunately the interface to >> firefox they used was deprecated. >> >> On 4 December 2015 at 23:32, Gregory Casamento <greg.casame...@gmail.com >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','greg.casame...@gmail.com');>> wrote: >> >>> Riccardo, >>> >>> On Fri, Dec 4, 2015 at 4:49 AM, Riccardo Mottola >>> <riccardo.mott...@libero.it >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','riccardo.mott...@libero.it');>> wrote: >>> > Hi, >>> > >>> > H. Nikolaus Schaller wrote: >>> >> >>> >> Hi Greg, >>> >> >>> >> Am 04.12.2015 um 08:04 schrieb Gregory Casamento >>> >> <greg.casame...@gmail.com >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','greg.casame...@gmail.com');>>: >>> >> >>> >>> Nikolaus, >>> >>> >>> >>> There are many reasons why SWK is behind: >>> >>> >>> >>> 1) It has a very large head start... >>> >>> 2) WebKit has critical mass. >>> >>> 3) Tons of people are contributing to it and, more importantly, >>> testing >>> >>> it >>> >>> 4) it is well known and widely used. >>> >> >>> >> Yes, you are right. But all those arguments also hold for the whole >>> >> GNUstep >>> >> project compared to anything else. But do we stop it for any of these >>> >> reasons? >>> >>> No one said for you guys to stop. Similarly I think we should >>> proceed on writing a browser using CEF. >>> >>> > Exactly, these arguments come up over and over again. Hy don't we use >>> GTK >>> > directly? or Windows or Mac? >>> > where do you draw a line? >>> >>> The answer is we are all free to do or use whatever we wish. SWK >>> will continue to advance and will hopefully one day match the >>> functionality of webkit, but in the mean time we need a browser. And >>> the only way to do that today in a way that is viable for every day >>> use given then complexities and expectations most people have of >>> web-browsers is to use CEF to back it. >>> >>> >> Well, where could we be today if there had been just 10 contributions >>> per >>> >> month >>> >> in the past ~5 years since I presented SWK the last time at FOSDEM... >>> >> >>> >> For the same reasons I have reduced the number of my contributions to >>> >> GNUstep... >>> >> >>> > >>> > I think then I would be be browsing GNUstep's Documentation on my >>> letux 400 >>> > :) >>> > And you could display search for "GNUstep" in duckduckgo.com (at >>> least in >>> > the conveniently provided non-JS version) on your OpenMoko or your >>> wonderful >>> > "tablet" I still remember. >>> >>> Unfortunately the Letux is outmoded and the OpenMoko is no longer >>> practical given the current state of smart phones. >>> >>> >>> SWK is >>> >>> missing many critical features, not the least of which is javascript >>> >>> support. >>> >> >>> >> It has some rudimentary JS support (ECMAscript = JS)... E.g. >>> >> >>> >> >>> >> >>> http://svn.gna.org/viewcvs/gnustep/libs/simplewebkit/trunk/Sources/ECMAScriptParser.m?revision=37330&view=markup >>> >> >>> >> But indeed nothing which works for doing anything useful. >>> >> Mainly the connection between JS and the DOM trees is missing. >>> > >>> > >>> > For the real usage I envision in short-term for SWK, better CSS and >>> Form >>> > support is actually more important than JS I think. Although some >>> > rudimentary JS is very convenient. >>> > >>> >> I am not saying "no" to alternate approaches. Yes, please go ahead! >>> >> >>> >> If SWK is enough pain so that someone eventually provides a really >>> better >>> >> browser, >>> >> SWK has reached its goal :) >>> >> >>> > >>> > Isn't there place for two or more engines in the world? If you like >>> warship, >>> > you may love a Bismarck [1]. But I bet they aren't for everything! you >>> need >>> > a small fast boat like a Riva Aquarama [2] too! Then you sure enjoy a >>> tour >>> > on the lake. >>> > Does it have 12 superheated boilers to travel at 30 knots using >>> 150.000 HP? >>> > No, but it traveled at 45 knots! and the Mahogany is perhaps more >>> > comfortable than hardened steel. It doesn't carry 4 planes either, but >>> > perhaps you can have a bottle of champagne and a woman at your side. >>> > Your choice. And we can have both in your yard. >>> > By discussing the way we do we won't have probably anything or end at >>> most >>> > with a cargo ship. >>> > >>> > Discussions to "plan ahead" are nice, as well as sharing opinions is. >>> But >>> > these kind of threads aren't of good. They end up offending existing >>> > developers, stirring up souls and reducing commits. >>> > >>> > Riccardo >>> > >>> > [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_battleship_Bismarck >>> > [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Riva_Aquarama >>> >> >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Gregory Casamento >>> GNUstep Lead Developer / OLC, Principal Consultant >>> http://www.gnustep.org - http://heronsperch.blogspot.com >>> http://ind.ie/phoenix/ >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> Discuss-gnustep mailing list >>> Discuss-gnustep@gnu.org >>> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Discuss-gnustep@gnu.org');> >>> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> Discuss-gnustep mailing list >> Discuss-gnustep@gnu.org >> <javascript:_e(%7B%7D,'cvml','Discuss-gnustep@gnu.org');> >> https://lists.gnu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss-gnustep >> >
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