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> Il giorno 19 nov 2019, alle ore 12:42, David Chisnall > <gnus...@theravensnest.org> ha scritto: > > On 19/11/2019 09:40, Johannes Brakensiek wrote: >>> I understand that the initial idea was to attract more users/developers, >>> but… It’s not working. >> Hm, yes. I think developers don’t need a nice UI at first place (and I think >> most of what developers need luckily is already provided by Apple as of >> today). But developers need happy users (if you’re not developing only for >> yourself) and I think happy users need a stable, solid and consistent UX. >> That would be provided by a NextStep based UI guideline. But they also need >> a pretty UI (which is not what you’d call that NextStep look nowadays, imho). > > I would add to that: most users will not be using a GNUstep DE. This was one > of the biggest mistakes that we made with Etoile: we did not have an > incremental adoption story. > > If you want GNUstep to be attractive to developers, you need to make it easy > for them to ship apps that integrate with an existing *NIX DE and with > Windows. One of the biggest things that RedHat did for Linux desktop > usability was teach the GTK+ and Qt theme engines to understand a shared > format and unify shortcut keys between the two. After that, it didn't matter > (much) if you needed a mix of GNOME and KDE apps, your desktop still felt > (approximately) cohesive. > > At the moment, people with one GNUstep app feel that it sticks out and is > difficult to use because it doesn't follow the same UI models as the rest of > their system. That means that they then don't want a second one. > > Qt on Mac has the same problem: the controls are all subtly different and it > took them years to even have the same shortcuts for navigation in a text > field, so everyone who ran a Qt application on Mac hated it and never wanted > to use another one. This didn't matter so much for Qt, because they did have > good Windows and X11 support. > > Currently, GNUstep apps look and feel like native apps on MacOS, when you > don't use GNUstep. They look and feel alien everywhere else. > > David >