On 12/11/24 15:44, Simon Gornall wrote:
So, just to follow up in case anyone else has the same query…
The instructions were pretty good, though it still took me most of the
day to get it all working together. That’s more a mark of my
inexperience with Visual Studio than any complaint about anything
else. Things like “Clear the ‘compile as’ setting” - well it’s a
drop-down, and set to ‘Default’ which doesn’t have the flags so that’s
‘clear’ right ? Wait, you can *edit* that drop-down and clear it out
completely ? What ?”… That sort of thing :)
Also, SDL needs to be compiled with the same clang compiler as the
thing calling into it (despite their release-notes claim otherwise :)
but right now I’m staring at a colour-rotating window on my Windows
VM, which has also successfully compiled and output:
NSString *test =[NSString stringWithUTF8String:"hi there"];
NSLog(@"test: %@", test);
(Admittedly, I got a bit more than I expected)…
Unable to create time zone for name: 'Etc/GMT+8'
(source 'function: 'GetTimeZoneInformation()'').
It seems that your operating system does not have a valid timezone
name
configured (it could be that some other software has set a, possibly
ambiguous, timezone abbreviation rather than a name) ... please
correct
that or override by setting a timezone name (such as 'Europe/London'
or 'America/Chicago').
You can override the timezone name by setting the 'Local Time Zone'
NSUserDefault via the 'defaults' command line utility, a Preferences
application, or some other utility.
eg "defaults write NSGlobalDomain 'Local Time Zone' 'Africa/Nairobi'"
See '(null)'
for the standard timezones such as 'GB-Eire' or 'America/Chicago'.
2024-12-11 21:33:57.396 SDLtest[8296:1528] Using time zone with
absolute offset 0.
2024-12-11 21:33:57.393 SDLtest[8296:1528] test: hi there
But the output happened, so it’s compiling the NSLog.
It also looks as though it’s perfect for packaging - having worked
through the instructions, I end up with an architecture-specific
directory full of the DLLs I need, and the binary itself. Pretty sure
from that I can use one of the packager tools and create a
ready-to-click-and-go installation.
Directory of C:\Users\simon\source\repos\SDLtest\x64\Release
12/11/2024 01:09 PM <DIR> .
12/11/2024 11:20 AM <DIR> ..
12/28/2023 10:46 AM 224,768 dispatch.dll
12/28/2023 10:49 AM 5,595,648 gnustep-base-1_29.dll
12/28/2023 10:50 AM 313,344 gnustep-corebase-0.dll
12/28/2023 10:52 AM 3,652,096 gnustep-gui-0.dll
12/28/2023 10:51 AM 673,792 jpeg.dll
12/28/2023 10:47 AM 554,496 libcurl.dll
12/28/2023 10:45 AM 27,648 libffi-8.dll
12/28/2023 10:45 AM 941,568 libiconv.dll
12/28/2023 10:50 AM 206,336 libpng16.dll
12/28/2023 10:44 AM 172,544 objc.dll
12/28/2023 10:53 AM 19,968 PreferencePanes-1.dll
12/11/2024 01:05 PM 5,796,352 SDL3.dll
12/11/2024 01:09 PM 12,800 SDLtest.exe
12/11/2024 01:09 PM 491,520 SDLtest.pdb
12/28/2023 10:50 AM 432,640 tiff.dll
12/28/2023 10:51 AM 777,728 turbojpeg.dll
12/28/2023 10:50 AM 159,744 zlib1.dll
17 File(s) 20,052,992 bytes
2 Dir(s) 188,881,162,240 bytes free
All the SDL examples work fine as well, so looks like I’m good to go :)
Cheers
Simon
On Dec 11, 2024, at 10:04 am, Simon Gornall <[email protected]>
wrote:
Thanks Ethan - that’s really good to know :)
I’ve got the Visual Studio free version installed on a VM and have
just seen my first (Windows, not NSWindow) window appear. Just going
to see if I can get SDL to link as well and then I’ll try creating a
packaged setup and install on my (one and only) real Windows machine.
Cheers again!
Simon
On Dec 11, 2024, at 9:47 am, Ethan C <[email protected]> wrote:
Alternatively, you may want to use the MinGW toolchain. See the
instructions at
https://github.com/gnustep/tools-make/blob/master/Documentation/README.MinGW
for information on that. It also includes instructions on making it
into a self-contained folder. You will need to package the resulting
folder and add the binary to the Start menu yourself, but all you’d
need to do is to make your installer extract that folder somewhere
on the filesystem and then add the shortcut to the Start menu.
On 12/11/24 11:30, Ethan C wrote:
Hi Simon,
On 12/11/24 10:36, Simon Gornall wrote:
Hi folks,
I’ve been a Mac engineer for the last couple of decades, and now I
find myself looking at writing something that will work on both
Windows and the Mac. If it were just for me, (from reading around)
I think it’d be quite straightforward - just install MSYS, the
GNUstep packages, and start running with it, but I might want to
distribute this application in the future, and I’m cautious about
requiring a GNUstep install as a part of that, it seems like a
reasonably high bar.
In fact, I’ll be using SDL (3, if it matters) for the graphics
side (which is cross-platform), what I’m really after here is the
runtime and Foundation framework that I’ve come to know and love -
even better if it has ARC :)
libobjc2 is a pretty mature runtime, and it has useful features the
Apple runtime doesn’t have, such as typed selectors (so having two
methods in different classes with the same name but different types
is no longer undefined behavior) and stuff to support dynamic
languages that have other object models. Our Foundation
implementation, gnustep-base, is also pretty mature, and if your
code doesn’t work on gnustep-base it shouldn’t be too hard to get it
working. If you need CoreFoundation, that might be a bit more
difficult. I don’t know the status of gnustep-corebase, and I have a
Linux-only port of the Catalina CoreFoundation with toll-free
bridging enabled that I’m currently working on.
I found https://github.com/gnustep/tools-windows-msvc but it’s not
clear whether this results in something I can package up (binary,
DLLs in the same directory etc.) and have an easy-to-use
install.exe that means the end-user doesn’t have to install
GNUstep, or whether it depends on filesystem layout etc (as I
recall GNUstep needing, from using it a long while ago).
I have read a fair number of “it’s hard to get it working on
Windows” posts/articles but I’m hoping these are a bit
self-selecting - people who did struggle and wrote about it
doesn’t mean that everyone struggles… They’re also a bit older,
and I’m (again) hoping things keep improving :)
Anyway, and info/hints from people who’ve done something like this
would be appreciated - I’m at the stage where I’m planning stuff,
and I don’t want to paint myself into a corner. There’s always the
option of using C++. But… you know… :)
You should look at
https://gnustep.github.io/Guides/Setup/Windows/index.html;
it includes all the information that Hugo Melder wrote about Windows
setup. You should definitely be using tools-windows-msvc. I don’t
know how to package it on Windows since I don’t use Windows often,
but I know people have done it in the past for some decently large
commerical applications, such as Algoriddim djay.
Cheers
Simon
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