Agreed, this is a problem, and we've already got an initiative under way
(Core order logic enhancements) as a solution (whereby you can truly specify
different Org/Admin/Billing/Tech at order time, and some other goodies).
I'll post here when I have more details and timelines (it's not my project,
heck - I can't do everything! *grin*)
Charles Daminato
OpenSRS Product Manager
Tucows Inc. - [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Doug Sisk [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
> Sent: June 18, 2001 8:12 AM
> To: William X. Walsh
> Cc: Doug Sisk; Charles Daminato; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: Re: Send the password to owner and billing contact
>
>
>
> The problem is that it's now a manual effort for each domain. I setup the
> admin contact correctly in the API, and OpenSRS ignores it and makes the
> admin contact = registrant.
>
> The response from OpenSRS has been: "You can login and change it". True,
> but I don't want to do this for hundreds of domains. I could write yet
> another OpenSRS BOT to do it, but I shouldn't have to.
>
> Regards,
> Doug
>
>
> William X. Walsh writes:
>
> > Hello Doug,
> >
> > Then if you have their permission, whats the problem?
> >
> > Set yourself as Admin contact. You create the username and
> > password,make the necessary change.
> >
> > If they know enough to create the registration and username and
> > password, they know enough to manage their own domain. If you did
> > that for them, then what exactly is the problem?
> >
> > Sunday, June 17, 2001, 7:57:50 PM, Doug Sisk wrote:
> >
> > > "William X. Walsh" wrote:
> > >>
> > >> Hello Doug,
> > >>
> > >> Sunday, June 17, 2001, 1:41:38 AM, Doug Sisk wrote:
> > >>
> > >> > This is just an asinine policy!
> > >>
> > >> > All it does is create work for the RSP. It obviously
> wasn't originally
> > >> > intended to work that way - why would you even define an
> admin contact
> > >> > in the api if you were never going to allow RSP's to set it.
> > >>
> > >> The admin contact can be whomever the owner chooses.
> >
> > > Yes, and the owner has given me that authority. Why does OpenSRS make
> > > it difficult fot me to assert that authority?
> >
> > >> However, that person has the authority to completely change, transfer
> > >> ownership, cause a deletion, etc.
> >
> > > Yes. The point ?
> >
> > >> The role of the admin contact is effectively as the owner of the
> > >> domain name. This is a historical role.
> >
> > > Effective is not the same as "is".
> >
> > >> I've said for years that any ISP who registers names for clients and
> > >> puts themselves down as Admin contact is at a very minimum committing
> > >> a very questionable act, and at worst an unethical one, bordering on
> > >> illegal when they use their position as admin contact to prevent the
> > >> registrant from making a change that they seek to the domain (Such as
> > >> switching providers, changing the contacts, changing the
> nameservers).
> >
> > > Tucows should have a zero tolerence policy on illegal
> activities. If a
> > > reseller holds a domain hostage then boot the reseller.
> >
> > >> If I had a $1 for every domain I've seen held hostage by an
> > >> unscrupulous ISP or webhost who made themselves the admin contact for
> > >> customer domains, either because they believed they had the right to
> > >> because the customer owed them money (which they don't have the right
> > >> to do), or for some other imagined reason.....
> >
> > > So it's ok for NSI, and Tucows to hold the domain hostage if it's not
> > > renewed on time?
> >
> > >> I really see no reason why the registrant should not be listed as the
> > >> admin contact 100% of the time. For their own protection.
> Managing a
> > >> domain name, especially an OpenSRS registered domain, is simple
> > >> enough.
> >
> > > It may be simple enough for you and me, but my clients barely
> know what
> > > a computer is. They want a one stop shop. Trying to explain how
> > > everything works to them is like explaining Calculus to my 5 year old.
> >
> > > Regards,
> > > Doug
> >
> > >> On that note, one thing I've been thinking about is adding context
> > >> sensitive help links to the various portions of the same OpenSRS
> > >> client interface. (You know, the little "?" links that pop-up a help
> > >> window)
> > >>
> > >> Anyone interested in helping to come up with the text for the various
> > >> sections?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Best regards,
> > >> William X Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > >> Userfriendly.com Domains
> > >> The most advanced domain lookup tool on the net
> > >> DNS Services from $1.65/mo
> >
> >
> >
> > --
> > Best regards,
> > William X Walsh <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> > Userfriendly.com Domains
> > The most advanced domain lookup tool on the net
> > DNS Services from $1.65/mo
> >
>
>
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