I'll chime in on this one more time just to be clear about what my beef with linux is here. Several people have said, in effect, "Have more RAM" or "Have enough RAM for what you need". Which is obviously true, but missing the point.
For my day-to-day, I do have enough RAM. What sometimes happens is that the cesspool of problems that is javascript engines, or eclipse, go completely off the rails, and start gobbling up memory. Seeing the forest for the trees, what I'm getting at here is that this will always be an issue, and vastly over-provisioning RAM might mask the problem for a while, eventually your day-to-day is going to start including multiple VMs and you're back to square one. Operating systems have concerned themselves for a long time with not letting unprivileged processes destroy a system. If a process tries to touch memory that doesn't belong to it, BAM! The OS says "bad process!" and hits it with a seg-fault. The signal can kill the offending process, or the process can catch it and try to recover, but either way, the integrity of the rest of the system is preserved at the expense of not letting the naughty process do what it was trying to do. What strikes me as odd and wrong is that the OS doesn't seem to protect itself from thrashing. The system is perfectly happy to render itself inoperative in the service of some lone process sucking up memory. I guess we should count ourselves lucky that more of the processes we run every day don't go off the rails in terms of memory usage. And it might be that this behavior isn't easy to create in a test environment: it's possible that what causes the problem is sucking up a lot of memory and then trying to /use/ all of it constantly. Hard to say what the JS engine is doing... I'll note that I've pushed linux systems to resource limits in other ways on plenty of occasions. For example: running out of file descriptors. While there are certainly ways that you can abuse the system and make the /system/ run out of file descriptors, the protections that were in place seemed reasonable: my user was out of file-descriptors and therefore couldn't start any new processes, but 'root' could still do things. Matt _______________________________________________ Discuss mailing list Discuss@blu.org http://lists.blu.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss