Hi,
Am Samstag, den 04.06.2011, 01:30 -0600 schrieb Tor Lillqvist: > > So here is my suggestion: I propose the everyone here head over to the > > Apache Incubator and join the proposal as an initial member. > > Well, at least for me the problem is: > > I *work* on LibreOffice. although I am not a real contributor to LibreOffice so that my decisions do not make a difference here are some of my thoughts from a completely different perspective. I am not paid by anyone in this field, I have no interested in going that road, I have no business around Office Suites, do not offer trainings or am engaged in any consulting. So every minute I spend on LibreOffice is because of fun with no hard revenue in sight and if it is for fun at least for me it is important with whom to work together. Do I trust the TDF/SC? uff, kind of Do I trust the ASF? absolutely Do I trust Novell/RedHat/Canonical/.. a bit Do I trust IBM? ... Do I trust Oracle? absolutely not The nice thing about the LGPL and copyleft is that it lowers the need for trusting the other involved parties. As I have no history with the OO.o project, I may not be correct, but I miss IBMs enthusiastic approach to a free software office suite extending what they need to develop symphony on that base. I guess they could have released a lot of patches under the apache license if they were just reluctant to the LGPL. So I have some doubts that the level between what to put in the core office, the new apache openoffice, and what to keep only for their closed source product on top of it is much in favor of the apache part. And I feel like it is not only important what the actual situation is (an ASF incubator proposal) but even more so how it got there. The situation would have been totally different for me if the OO.o community council would have approached the ASF and made this proposal and after that Oracle would have agreed and IBM hopped in. This would have been community driven. This smells like some corporate business plan with a nice apache painting. The situation now is that Oracle and IBM did some deal behind closed doors, where I am pretty sure their arguments and expectations to decide going to the ASF are not identical with what is written on the ASF wiki. Although this is the unfortunate situation that you can hardly prove it the one way or the other. So for me to join the proposal feels like becoming one of the worst paid IBM employees. But whatever, the ball is already rolling and everything will go the way it has to go. We will see the result in some months/years. And yeah, everyone will decide different depending on who pays him, what if any personal business interests he has in the office field, his political/ideological vision or just his gut feeling. Nothing wrong with that and nothing to try to change or influence. Regards, Michael -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted