On Fri, 2011-06-17 at 10:53 +0200, Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > Hello Martin, > > Answering to the discuss AT TDF list as I'm not subscribed to the other > ones... > > > Le Thu, 16 Jun 2011 18:39:54 +0200, > Martin Hollmichel <martin.hollmic...@googlemail.com> a écrit : > > > Hi Sam, > > > Do you have a concrete proposal? > > yes, I have. > > > > First, I do not have any problems with the Apache style of decision > > making, lazy consensus sounds perfectly reasonable to me. I like that > > style. This fits perfectly to the "meritocracy" principle. > > > > My understanding is, that this principle is based on > > * contributing individuals > > * organizations/institutions contributing developers and/or money for > > the infrastructure/governance, these organizations contribute because > > they have derived products or other business around the regarding > > software. So users are represented in this model by own work power or > > indirectly by companies. > > This principle has been proven to work quite well for many open source > > projects. > > > > I think this principle may get enhanced by enabling a non profit > > organization to have their own resources on a project (This might fit > > into the Apache philosophy considering this organization as an > > contributing institution). I think this is necessary because there is > > already a lot of business happening around OpenOffice, but most of > > these businesses are just to small or have not the right expertise to > > execute on the "meritocracy" principle. > > So what the OOo project missed most was to have a path to get product > > feature or tasks done (or just 4th level support) with the help of > > money offered. > > > > So my proposal is continue project decisions the Apache Style but also > > to find a framework to make product decisions in a manner that also > > the concerns of Users, local communities, QA, business partners, etc. > > get honored. This framework also should enable to collect money so > > that development (committer) resources can be found to get the issues > > addressed in an equitable process. > > > > We already have thousands of feature requests and enhancements in the > > queue, we are putting a new bunch of requirements on top of it through > > the current transition to Apache, I think we should seek the power of > > _all_ OOo communities, users and businesses to achieve significant > > growth to make OOo a better and successful product. And I did not even > > included wishes like ODF Viewers, mobile and Cloud services around > > OOo. > > > > My offer is to develop (with all concerned parties) a new charter for > > all the groups mentioned above (as a successor of the Community > > Council Charter) and enable the project to have own development > > resources. The non profit organization Team OpenOffice.org e.V. > > played in the past just the role of being the cash box of the CC in a > > quite defensive way (http://download.openoffice.org/contribute.html, > > will you find the path to donate ??), now Team OOo is preparing to > > offer a link between business, communities, users and developers to > > enable growth on the new futile ground we are now moving on. > > > If I understand well your proposal concerns as well the LibreOffice > project. The principles you have outlined above are very much the same > ones the Document Foundation has been advocating and implementing. > > In this respect we would welcome working with Team OOo (and other > NGOs) You are also right to stress on the need to work on a charter for > all the NGOs,
Hi Charles, I did not read that in his remarks. > and this is somewhere on our task list here. People in other countries are capable of directing their own affairs, I would think. Unless you are thinking of creating franchises, is that your goal? Thanks Drew -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
