All right, let's put a stake through the heart of this puppy. I just created three documents. One is pretty large so I put them at Windows SkyDrive: <https://skydrive.live.com/redir.aspx?cid=33894f6489994ba7&resid=33894F6489994BA7!371>
1. A Microsoft Word 2010 1-page document with a small image and completely using the Linux Biolinum G font, a GPL-ed font that came along with LibreOffice 3.3.2, the one I use for ODF production work. The document is almost 4 MB because I asked Word to embed every font (it included 9, including the Biolinum G). This is the Word document whose name begins with Fonts-2011-06-25-18100-.. 2. An OpenOffice Text document produced from the Word document. It has no fonts and it is quite small. If you open it in LibreOffice 3.x, you may encounter a complaint that the file is corrupted. If so, let LibreOffice correct the document and it should be fine. (There is some breakage between some ODF 1.1 producers and some ODF 1.2 (anticipatory) consumers and we need to sort that out. 3. A PDF. It doesn't seem to have the fonts either. Apparently the export didn't conclude that any were needed. I gave it permission to export the ones it could. Alternatively, it might have exported just what was needed. I can't tell. - Dennis -----Original Message----- From: charles.h.sch...@gmail.com [mailto:charles.h.sch...@gmail.com] On Behalf Of Charles-H. Schulz Sent: Saturday, June 25, 2011 08:33 To: discuss@documentfoundation.org Subject: Re: [tdf-discuss] Re: Font Embedding in ODF (was RE: ANN: ODF 1.2 Candidate OASIS Standard Enters 60-Day Public Review) Le Sat, 25 Jun 2011 08:01:26 -0700 (PDT), plino <pedl...@gmail.com> a écrit : > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > > No it doesn't. > > > > Of course it does. Maybe you don't use it or don't know how to do > it. But don't say it doesn't. So are you saying your word documents embed fonts on a daily basis? I've never seen any similar documents. You get the impression of that -maybe- because on a windows to windows environment everybody uses fonts that are already available on the system. Of course, ODF (and others) do keep the reference of the font name and if I have the same font on my system it will try to reuse the same font. But just for reference: except for specific cases: office document formats including MSOffice DON'T include fonts. PDF does (there are less used formats) and that's what it's know for. > > > Charles-H. Schulz wrote: > > > > But I think we're also missing the point if -let's say > > we were to design a brand new office file format that embeds or does > > not embed fonts- why should anyone be using it? Choosing a format > > that's not the dominant format is already a reasoned choice, > > oftentimes an act of departure from the dominant player, and > > sometimes a political act. > > I think you are missing the point: it's not simply a matter of the > embedded fonts. If the brand new file format that you are creating > wants to attract users it can never have less features than the one > it wants to replace. Or at least it can not miss critical features. Network effect. Do you have any idea how many superior formats have been created but that never got adopted? > > Even if people want to switch for "political" reasons, I'm sure they > don't want their work crippled... They don't, that's true. But don't mix the various purposes of formats. Best, Charles. -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Unsubscribe instructions: E-mail to discuss+h...@documentfoundation.org Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.documentfoundation.org/www/discuss/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
