I'm just trying to separate the two. In my head, consent means like... all parties are on board. Free culture has been fighting a 'permission' culture, but I think that's a slightly different thing that has more to do with IP and rights and such... See Zach's comment.
-Adi On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:55 PM, Parker Phinney <parker.phin...@gmail.com>wrote: > re: consent vs permission: what do you mean? > > Is it just that you consent when the question is "I'm going to record > you. Let me know if this is a problem." and you give permission when > the question is "May I record you?" > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 10:48 AM, Adi Kamdar <adikam...@gmail.com> wrote: > > +1 to Kevin > > > > I love the idea, and I think asking for teachers' consent should be > highly > > encouraged. I know at my school, there are serious serious consequences > for > > recording classes w/o the teacher's approval. One of my favorite teachers > > (who is very very very free culture friendly) actually prohibits > recording > > in his classroom. His rationale? Basically what Kevin wrote: his > classroom > > is a safe space where people can be absurd and goofy and controversial > and > > say things that they wouldn't say were they recorded. > > > > That being said, I think this can serve as a super useful resource when > > consent is given. In my mind there's a distinction between giving consent > > and giving permission. Thoughts? > > > > -Adi > > > > > > > > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 12:26 AM, Kevin Driscoll <driscollke...@gmail.com > > > > wrote: > >> > >> On Wed, Sep 7, 2011 at 2:29 PM, <discuss-requ...@freeculture.org> > wrote: > >> > From: Rich Jones <r...@anomos.info> > >> > > >> > For now, we're keeping LectureLeaks strictly legal, so I don't think > >> > we'll need to move it to Sweden. Yet. :) > >> > > >> > We'd much rather have professors simply agree to let their courses > >> > continue being online rather than start an online copyright battle > >> > with people who are just trying to teach. > >> > >> > >> Very psyched to see this project getting off the ground! As someone > >> occasionally in the role of the lecturer, I want to also share three > >> concerns that come to mind... > >> > >> 1. Ours is a noble cause but the history of secret classroom > >> recordings is not entirely a proud one. In recent memory, some > >> teachers have been attacked and harassed because of surreptitious > >> recordings leaked by students. This has been especially troublesome in > >> classes that discuss "hot topics" like evolution and socialism. > >> > >> * > >> > http://christianexaminer.blogspot.com/2011/02/student-sues-teacher-goes-to-ninth.html > >> * > >> > http://www.pbs.org/teachers/learning.now/2007/02/caught_on_tape_for_better_or_w.html > >> * > >> > http://www.thefacultylounge.org/2010/10/are-your-students-secretly-recording-you-.html > >> * http://dangerouslyirrelevant.org/2008/03/cell-phone-came.html > >> > >> > >> 2. Ideally, the classroom is a safe space for students and teachers to > >> take risks, ask questions that others might call "dumb", and share > >> bits of their personal lives. If students think they are being > >> secretly recorded, I'm afraid they'll be less forthcoming in class > >> discussion. This chilling effect pits the learning experience of > >> in-class students to the potential value of OER. > >> > >> > >> 3. A small complaint about the name: I get the connection to WikiLeaks > >> but feel like it sets up an oppositional relationship between the > >> student-user and the lecturer. Is this a concern? Or is the project > >> primarily student-focused and reaching out to faculty is not a > >> priority? > >> > >> > >> > >> All that being said, my favorite part of this project is that it > >> EXISTS. Better to work on the boat after setting sail than to never > >> leave the harbor! > >> > >> (Plus, I'm looking forward to reading a lengthy comment thread on the > >> Chronicle of Higher Ed blog!) > >> > >> Kevin > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Discuss mailing list > >> Discuss@freeculture.org > >> http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > >> FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > > > > _______________________________________________ > > Discuss mailing list > > Discuss@freeculture.org > > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss > > > > > > > > -- > http://www.madebyparker.com > _______________________________________________ > Discuss mailing list > Discuss@freeculture.org > http://lists.freeculture.org/mailman/listinfo/discuss > FAQ: http://wiki.freeculture.org/Fc-discuss >
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